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  • To enforce objective standards of right and wrong.

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  • To facilitate social order.

    19 79.17%
  • I don't agree with the first two options, but I want to be included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Not really. All you have to do is look at some human development photos.
    Oh great.

    I refuse to get into this. Let's leave it at different people have different opinions, and for his argument to hold water, you have to ignore a huge chunk of opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Objective standards of right and wrong? Do those actually exist?

    As far as practical applications go, it's to create order in society. 'Right' and 'wrong' are ideals and when idealistic solutions are applied, they usually have unintended (negative) consequences.
    Quote Originally Posted by Minako-bot View Post
    Law should be for facilitating social order. Period. Right and wrong in black and white terms will not have the same meaning to any two people. Abortion and the death penalty is fine to me.


    I agree with Lateralus and Minako-bot.

    But as for the poll, I don't understand whose purpose it is... there are many often conflicting purposes involved in law. I personally think the purpose of law SHOULD be to simply facilitate social cohesion, but there are many out there who view it as an instrument for enforcing their ideas of right-and-wrong.

    edit: I realize I'm just rephrasing what some others have said... particularly Rajah, who put it much better than I just did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didums View Post
    I'm one of those d-bags who thinks that "the law is just there so that The Man can control us!"
    If people want to live in a society with any sort of peace and harmony, laws are mandatory. Can you disagree with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajah View Post
    This doesn't resonate for a large group of people, me included. Whether abortion is murder depends on whether you see a young fetus as alive. To get to your conclusion requires a gigantic assumption.
    This is why I gave more than one example. I could give plenty more since I'm not really trying to make a point about abortion specifically. Although to be accurate there should be no debate about whether a fetus is alive. Any biologist can tell you it is. The debate is whether a fetus should be considered a person.
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    I let go of the law,
    and people become honest.
    I let go of economics,
    and people become prosperous.
    I let go of religion,
    and people become serene.
    I let go of all desire for the common good,
    and the good becomes common as grass.
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    Where it abounds, is widely exercised, obfuscated, complicated, reviled, and worshiped is where we've strayed far from the Tao and are rapidly becoming dead.

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    Voted to facilitate social order.

    Also, this is why in the U.S. we vote and have democracy. We all get a say.

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    Agreed, to facilitate social order.

    If we didn't have the laws of man, we would have the laws of nature alone (dog eat dog). In a patriarchal society where we essentially depend on each other's altruism to survive and create infrastructure, laws keep people from cheating.
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    both are objectives of law. i wouldn't say they are the only two objectives but they are part. you have to balance how much weight you give any particular objective of course, as the examples demonstrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miked277 View Post
    both are objectives of law. i wouldn't say they are the only two objectives but they are part. you have to balance how much weight you give any particular objective of course, as the examples demonstrated.
    I'm glad you answered this way (mostly because the replies have been sort of one sided so far). Under what circumstances do you think morality is a better criteria for establishing law? How should be know when to choose morality over simply choosing what aids in social order?

    (I agree with you btw, but I would like to hear your reasoning on this.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Voted to facilitate social order.

    Also, this is why in the U.S. we vote and have democracy. We all get a say.
    The United States is not a democracy, it's a republic.
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