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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus
    The party of "small government" fails again on this issue.
    The "small government" wing of the GOP is the Tea Party faction. The establishment rino wing currently holds most of the power in the GOP. These are the guys who, under President Bush, Jr. passed 15,000 earmarks and exploded the deficit. Of course, compared to the Dems, that's chump change. Once Pelosi took over, the deficit grew at twice the speed, from $190 billion to over $400 billion in her first two years.
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    I don't think anything is going to change until we have real campaign finance reform. Definitely publicly funded elections and an end to the public/private revolving door. There is so much perfectly legal corruption right now that it does not matter who we vote for: they are all working for the same people and not The People.
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    I still don't understand why we can't make radical reforms via the internet to create a collective governance that completely voids the legislative branch entirely. Instead of doing the populist part of Socialism, how about we attempt the beneficial parts of Socialism and provide everyone with services like free access to the internet. We've been lending money to South Korea for decades and now their entire country is connected with broadband. How about we stop spending money on controlling the population and military spending and begin entering a cooling period from our incredibly hawkish 20th century style foreign policy where we can make our society more free and tolerant by allowing literal majority rule from the population (via the internet) and not a handful of representatives seeking personal power? I feel as though the internet is being wasted for the power it could have in politics (assuming we can make it much more safe and less prone to cyber-attacks).

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    Sounds like a great idea. Joe Biden wants to know what the website number is. But seriously, Dems argued that large segments of their base couldn't figure out how to get photo IDs; a website solution would be instantly labeled racist and agist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I don't think anything is going to change until we have real campaign finance reform. Definitely publicly funded elections and an end to the public/private revolving door. There is so much perfectly legal corruption right now that it does not matter who we vote for: they are all working for the same people and not The People.
    Pretty much.

    Campaigns need to be restricted to a set, matching amount of funding from the government. Only something that strict can be trusted to exclude the influence of donors on the campaign.

    But then, I could go on. Office holders should probably have no stocks or bonds to their name, because of conflict of interest. There might need to be some kind of private employment moratorium on public office holders for a little while after they leave the public office to prevent the revolving door. Even the basic election mechanics themselves could use a change, like preferential ballots to avoid strategic voting, and the shortest split line rule to end gerrymandering.

    I mean, the whole system could use one hell of a retooling. All the world's democracies are lagging behind, and the USA is behind most of those in the developed world I'd say, so it's pretty bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Sounds like a great idea. Joe Biden wants to know what the website number is. But seriously, Dems argued that large segments of their base couldn't figure out how to get photo IDs; a website solution would be instantly labeled racist and agist.
    If they can't figure out how to use a computer or get photo IDs, perhaps they shouldn't be voting on extremely serious matters such as the leader of a highly targeted and infamous world power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    If they can't figure out how to use a computer or get photo IDs, perhaps they shouldn't be voting on extremely serious matters such as the leader of a highly targeted and infamous world power.
    Or perhaps they just shouldn't be poor and live in an underserved part of the community. Crazy people thinking that being citizens give them rights they can't pay for.
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    why do we need governement?

    oh because even without government their would still be a hierachy but it would be unstable and more people would die. people die now because of government, but imagine people killing the leader constantly to become the leader. sure the leader could have cronies, but nothing would be regulated so weapons would be easier to get. as much as I don't like the government, I think without it we'd be more fucked. especially me. so ok fine i'm selfish for knowing i wouldn't survive in an anarchist society. kill me if you don't like. because if you achieve anarchy i'll die anyways
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    The "small government" wing of the GOP is the Tea Party faction. The establishment rino wing currently holds most of the power in the GOP. These are the guys who, under President Bush, Jr. passed 15,000 earmarks and exploded the deficit. Of course, compared to the Dems, that's chump change. Once Pelosi took over, the deficit grew at twice the speed, from $190 billion to over $400 billion in her first two years.
    The Tea Party supports drug prohibition. They support government intervention into peoples' sex and reproductive lives. They're not for "small government", at all.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus
    The Tea Party supports drug prohibition. They support government intervention into peoples' sex and reproductive lives. They're not for "small government", at all.
    Roughly half of the Tea Partiers are evangelicals (47%), so you're going to get some do-gooders. Even among the Tea Party, there are libertarians like Rand Paul who'd favor decriminalizing marijuana and conservative types like Hannity who still want drugs to be illegal. This faction is probably the best of the choices we currently have for those of us who want limited government.
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