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    I've also delivered furniture for an interior design company call Mrs. Howards interiors and run the Gainesville golf practice center as an assistant manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I mean that they are selective in where they apply it, but where they apply it, is not a conditional or moderated idea. It's all or nothing, though in these cases the people who use it seem to be somewhat unaware of all situations where they choose nothing.
    Oh, I see. Yeah people are picky about when to apply their "rules" when their ox is the one being gored.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Are you trying to say that you accept live and let live because you accept that any ideal will involve cherry picking? I'm not sure I follow.
    I'm a realist so I recognize that cherry picking is going to happen no matter if your ideal is absolutist or not. I use "Live and Let Live" because it essentializes (yes I'm American *eyeroll*, those damn essentializers!) what I believe to be the crux of a basic form of The Golden Rule (ethic of reciprocity). I said "doing unto others, wherever reasonable, as they want to be done by" IF I know how others want to be treated" because I thought you'd appreciate the platinum rule + the IF part, Kant, Nietsche, Russel's objections to said rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I really seriously don't think that's what a lot of people mean when they say live and let live, so the distinction does matter.
    What matters depends on the person. I will elaborate more though. The connection I am trying to make is that I think Live and Let Live is related to The Golden Rule. Which is pretty simple on the surface. Hey man, don't be doing things that are going to affect me without my consent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    For one thing, your elaboration puts a little bit of an obligation on you, since it suggests you should go out of your war to do something for someone if they want it done. The very important and totally vague operational word here would be "reasonable".
    I said no such thing Please reread. Why would I spend energy on an unknown other? unless there was benefit to be had. I agree reasonable needs to be defined, it's pretty fuzzy for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    If you liked that you'll love this.





    What a beautifully crafted gun.

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    I'm going to refer this thread to this post... to get it back on track or something. Also, I'm partial to assault rifles.

    It's sort of like saying, "Why do you need a camaro?" .. no one needs anything really. No one needs cars, or anything like that. Truly. It's all semantics. But if you ask me if I need my car, I will absolutely say yes, and my spending priorities will reflect that entirely. I think if you're going to own something, there are theories everyone has towards ownership. "If I'm paying for something, it's going to be reliable and dependable and absolutely quality." "If I'm going to buy something, I'm getting the cheapest shit I can find that'll just get the job done." "If I'm going to buy something, its going to look good so it makes me happy everytime I look at it." Nothing is more right than the other. But I don't judge either stance.

    There are some basic points that just make sense if you're open minded to thinking about them. Will someone still find them unnecessary after those points? Probably. But will it make more sense, and be less "Omg everyone in America just has a hard-on for Red Dawn" seeming? Hopefully. If not, then I'd say one is pretty closed minded in the argument to begin with.. and probably should take a step back and examine themselves before discussing further--as discussion requires two-way communication.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
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    You were talking about some questions I'd like to discuss briefly. I'm going to stick to mostly technical elements here.

    @LEGERdeMAIN made a good point about what an "assault weapon" is. This term is used in a legal context in the United States when referring to weapons covered by the "assault weapons ban". The term is used in popular speech, which refers to civilian variants of military weapons.

    You can read a little about the Assault Weapons Ban here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...assault_weapon

    Keep in mind, the "assault weapons ban" did not ban automatic weapons or "machine guns", those have been (essentially) illegal on a Federal level since the 1930s.


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    What are some practical reasons why someone would want to own a rifle based on a military weapon?

    - Having a rifle that is based on a common variant means parts are common and made by a variety of manufacturers. Ammunition is less expensive and easy to find.

    - Military rifles are, as a sweeping generalization, robust and dependable.

    - These designs represent "the best" in handling and use.

    Let's get into some reasons why they would be desirable for someone particularly interested in a home defensive rifle.

    - Variants of the AR-15, popular in the US, tend to have collapsible stocks. This makes the rifle more comfortable to use, but in a home environment can make the rifle shorter, allowing you to move around with greater ease. Relatively light weight rifles also allow you to keep one hand supporting the rifle against your shoulder while you perform critical tasks, like directing children into safe zones, operating door knobs and locks, flipping light switches, and using your cell phone to call the police.

    These are also reasons why a handgun is appropriate for a defensive task in a home environment.

    A conventional shotgun or hunting rifle is too heavy and too long for this sort of use. Short barreled shotguns may work though they are generally quite heavy.

    - They are able to be equipped with items such as lights, sights, lasers, and grips. This might seem unimportant, however, being able to mount a light onto your weapon is, in my opinion, absolutely essential to proper target identification (who/what am I pointing my weapon at?), checking the status of your target (are they armed? are they surrendering?), and if you have to shoot, making sure you know what is behind your target.

    I would not understate the value of a light, I truly consider it to be an essential part of a home defense weapon, and while I don't own any guns, I would not buy a defensive weapon that could not be equipped with a light for use in a home environment.

    Again, (many) pistols can be mounted with lights, and could also serve this purpose. I don't know of any revolvers that have rails. Some shotguns as well.

    In this case, I'd bring you back to my first note - while other weapons could serve this purpose, popular variants of rifles like the AR-15 have enormous aftermarket support that could fit all budgets.

    Items like fore-grips may be useful in close quarters, and a laser sight is useful for placing shots on target.

    - Low recoil weapons that shoot .223 ammo are (as a generalization) easier to keep on target than something like a shotgun. This is a consideration for people who are smaller, weaker, in poor health, etc. Someone who is older might not be able to operate a shotgun.

    - In a similar vein, a rifle with a "pistol grip" is more comfortable to operate than an over hand traditional styled weapon.

    - Slings and mounts: while any old rifle can be equipped with a sling, modern styled 'assault weapons' may be easier to mount with something that hangs on the front of your chest, allowing you to use two hands but keep the weapon on the ready.

    A quality holster for a pistol can serve a similar purpose, though being able to hang something off your person is easier when you're not wearing a belt already.

    - A rifle or carbine can be aimed with much greater accuracy and speed in comparison to a handgun, an important tactical and safety consideration.

    - Ammo, penetration, and safety. .223 rounds are high speed and light weight, however, they demonstrate less penetration through construction materials inside a house in comparison to heavy shotgun and handgun loads. This is a serious safety consideration.

    (Frangible loads that will 'turn to powder' when they hit hard targets are available, but are a bit of a special case.)

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    These are some reasons why someone may want to own an assault weapon.

    While there are people who seem to fetishize having a military styled weapon, there are practical merits to their use and ownership. I wish the "gun culture" here in the United States would do away with those glorification elements.

    Hope that answers some questions and provides some insight.
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    I would be very interested in hearing you expand on the "glorification elements".

    I agree with you, I'm just curious to see what your take on it is @kyuuei

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I would be very interested in hearing you expand on the "glorification elements".

    I agree with you, I'm just curious to see what your take on it is...
    My personal opinion? Bamboo brings up some good points... I'm a bit simpler in my approach.

    Shotguns aren't exactly easy to fire--you need serious practice with them. Same with pistols. By far, there are three important reasons people don't think about when they think of military grade weapons:
    - They need to be cheap, effective, and easy to fire. Easy to fire is the main key.. if our dumbass privates can't figure it out, then we can't use it. And we don't hire rocket surgeons or brain scientists.

    It doesn't get much easier than an M4 with a scope. Put a red dot on it, and you can adjust it for anything between the age of 8-80 in 2 seconds. The kickback is far less severe than a shotgun, and you don't have near the trigger-pull and recoil effects of a handgun. (By trigger pull.. I mean, you can literally miss a target by not squeezing the trigger, but by instead jerking it to make the entire gun point elsewhere. You have that same problem with a rifle, but in close quarters it is far less likely to shoot elsewhere than the specified target. At 25 meters you don't even need to aim... theoretically you shouldn't need to for the handgun as well, and yet I've seen even military people shoot like garbage at such a close target because of the trigger pull and lack of stance.)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKde36mbpiI

    I've seen plenty of soldiers qualify on the M4 and then pose problems with the M9 qualifications. Rifles are easy to fire--there's no getting around that. Close range, pistols should be.. but even then people have issues with them. There's a lot of power that is distributed solely in the fingers and palms.. versus the fingers, palms, arms, and shoulder. Without the kick-you-in-the-bone recoil of a shotgun. It's nice.

    There really aren't much differences in weapons. A fast-on-the-draw pistol carrier would get more rounds down range than any inexperienced kid with an assault rifle. With magazine switches. Experience makes or breaks a shooter more so than the weapon being used.

    It's much harder to hide bigger weapons--so they're a little harder to steal. We busted kids on our block that had broken into a home and stolen a shotgun. They tried to ditch it in a neighboring backyard when they saw us drive by--but we were already calling the cops and they got caught red handed. We would have never seen it with a handgun. I don't know how many times my buddies go into a place carrying with the place saying they don't allow weapons. Pistols just go unseen so easily. To me, they're more dangerous than an assault rifle--there's no way of telling who is armed.

    I'm just saying.. I'll never, ever, ever buy a fast expensive car. It isn't on my agenda, and never will be. But I don't think that the ones that buy those cars (despite some existing) are douchebags that watch too much Fast and the Furious. There are plenty of completely practical reasons for owning something like that, even if it isn't necessary in the sense that you'll survive without it probably. I think a guy that gets so much pleasure out of driving his dream car that it staves off depression and suicide risks is necessary enough means for the end.

    I think people have a broad definition of what's "necessary".. And when it isn't necessary for them, their circle, or even their society, they'll never understand why it's necessary for anyone else. And a lack of empathy means they'll never care or see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
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    I'm with you on the 3 points of contact with a rifle (both hands and shoulder) vs. 2 points (both hands) for a pistol, and especially how important finding a trigger that works for you is.

    I finally started shooting my glock 23 (striker fired trigger) well and I figured out that it was the damn trigger. It didn't stage well (or I thought so b/c I know many people love the glock trigger) after I took up the slack. I was dipping gun (just like you were talking about) b/c it felt like the gun wasn't telling my hand when it was going to go off. I probably just need more practice with it. The thing is... I've never really loved the way it fit in my hand so I may just sell it and go for something that's got a DA/SA trigger like the HK's I'm considering.

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    This thread is turning into a celebration of the means of killing.

    I find this morally abhorrent and deeply offensive.

    So I wonder why it is on our site called Typology Central.

    It is plainly not here to discuss the psychology of the means of killing. It is here to excite those with the pornography of guns.

    Is this a suitable thread for Typology Central?

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    A fellow venter has convinced me that a CZ 75 is quite the piece. Here is a video from Colion Noir and his review of a CZ 75 SP-01



    This guy was practicing with an slightly different model and hitting 8" targets are 100 yards... 100 yards...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez0qB1SyiC4
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    How can we stop the pornography of guns on Typology Central?

    How can we stop the propaganda of the National Rifle Association on Typology Central?

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