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    I'm not sure what the point here is.

    People have Biases? Obvious.

    Atheists are as or more biased than religious practitioners? Not demonstrated.

    And no, that word count is not a demonstration. I don't even know if he put that word search in ratio to the number of words in the books. But at any rate, I have doubts about the sufficiency of a strict series of words like that, particularly considering Ann Coulter's place. She is never anything other than certain when she speaks, she doesn't necessarily convey that by always using exact words like "certain" over and over again.

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    Harris is wrong, morality is not objective. I've seen videos of him debating this and it made me cringe. I felt bad for him because it looks like he's backed himself into a corner and doesn't want to admit that he's wrong. This "challenge" is his way of doubling down.
    I think Harris might be in the general area of the correct position. He too often sounds like he's begging the question, but his broader point about morality, as far as I know, is not quite, ideally considering objective. He seems to be suggesting more that we base things on some aggregation of human behavior, and that humans are of course more similar than they are different. In this way he comes close to my ideas about utilitarianism so I sympathize with his goal. I can also sympathize in that when I try to convey my subscription to utilitarianism, it tends to get mangled by the way people try to understand it as objective or subjective. Perhaps the scheme is too crude.
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    We learn today that the United Nations has said that Roman Catholicism has raped tens of thousands of children in recent times and still won't open their records to the United Nations.

    And yet Catholic schools have never been more popular with parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yes, that was the gist of my last sentence. I think we made a connection here. I feel ... oddly touched.
    I'm more reasonable than I seem.

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    If I were pushing religion, I would recognise Sam Harris as my most powerful enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    If I were pushing religion, I would recognise Sam Harris as my most powerful enemy.
    You mean this guy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris_(singer)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    If I were pushing religion, I would recognise Sam Harris as my most powerful enemy.
    No. Not even close. If anything in the grand scheme of things the new atheists help Christianity.

    Don't get em wrong as there are powerful enemies. It's just that none of the New Atheists are amongst them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I think Harris might be in the general area of the correct position. He too often sounds like he's begging the question, but his broader point about morality, as far as I know, is not quite, ideally considering objective. He seems to be suggesting more that we base things on some aggregation of human behavior, and that humans are of course more similar than they are different. In this way he comes close to my ideas about utilitarianism so I sympathize with his goal. I can also sympathize in that when I try to convey my subscription to utilitarianism, it tends to get mangled by the way people try to understand it as objective or subjective. Perhaps the scheme is too crude.
    Have you watched any of his debates with William Lane Craig? Harris argues that gods are not necessary for objective morality. He's pretty explicit in his claim that morality is objective. You may be right that he may not be using the term "objective" properly, but I've given him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he knows what he's talking about when he throws around the term "objective".

    In general, I agree with Harris' philosophy that we should be seeking to minimize the suffering of "conscious beings" (I haven't heard him define consciousness, though). I just disagree that science can provide any answers to moral questions because those questions are based in subjectivity, not objectivity. I get the impression that he's trying to turn science into an ideology in an attempt to offer religiously-inclined people an alternative to Christianity/Islam/etc, but I don't like the direction he's going with that.
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    The balance of power has shifted. The religious are fighting for the right not to be forced by the government to violate their beliefs. In order to curtail those right the feds must demonstrate that doing so serves a compelling state interest that cannot be better served through less onerous means.

    The contraception mandate fails to meet that threshold in any way.

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    Argue theory all you want, but the legal justification for the policy is wobbly at best.

    I think, just like with the Zimmerman trial which many of you still don't understand, that the courts will eat your lunch on this one.

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    What the fuck are you talking about?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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