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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    What do you mean by your previous statement, "A living man is essentially not fit for gender relations"?
    A living man is not fit to be part of a "them", when you are dealing with a "them", suddenly life involves gender relations, 'giving and receiving' involves an awareness (although it can be somewhat subconscious) of gender. the male gender gives, the female gender receiveth. Obviously we all need both elements to be part of a "them". Someone who has only reached the level of a living Man can only ever just be "him", portraying an image of God and carrying the appropriate authority, but unfit for any true community with 'them'.

    If you want to understand the large dynamism involved in community, I suggest you check out the series 'community' about the community college... Can you Imagine how friendly this "living Man" would be to take class with?

    i.e. Could he be a good student [amongst other students]?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetshumody View Post
    Are you saying your family is allowed to give you permission to leave from a court proceeding without the assent of a judicial officer?
    No, I'm saying that the Living Man speaks for himself and moves as he will by right of Natural Universal Law.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetshumody View Post
    And that such an act could never be correctly described as 'running away' to a third party?
    I, being a third party observer, saw the Living Man walking away from a proceeding that was abandoned by the presiding judge. And so that's how I would describe it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetshumody View Post
    Yes the judge might of left him there in that room for a very long time, trying to force the living man to run away (because he is not under her jurisdiction and she doesn't want to leave a record that she can't deal with him), but that doesn't make what happened any less improper to anyone who cares about good standing. To me it's just sad that the legal knowledge over there hasn't developed to such an extent to produce 'time lords', or 'Shepard's', or 'parental's of the logos' (however you care to see the full formed 'corporate fiction' (or person) with good standing).
    Where is "over there"? Do you mean Three Forks, Montana, the State of Montana, or the United States of America? Either way, the Living Man stated in the video that he had already won his case in a higher court, and that this previous ruling sets a precedent that the lower court should obey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetshumody View Post
    A living man is not fit to be part of a "them", when you are dealing with a "them", suddenly life involves gender relations, 'giving and receiving' involves an awareness (although it can be somewhat subconscious) of gender. the male gender gives, the female gender receiveth. Obviously we all need both elements to be part of a "them". Someone who has only reached the level of a living Man can only ever just be "him", portraying an image of God and carrying the appropriate authority, but unfit for any true community with 'them'.

    If you want to understand the large dynamism involved in community, I suggest you check out the series 'community' about the community college... Can you Imagine how friendly this "living Man" would be to take class with?

    i.e. Could he be a good student [amongst other students]?
    I rather doubt it.
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    Yes he was just speaking for himself, but he wasn't speaking just on his own behalf;- he seemed to call on his 'so called peers' a few times and comment on their assent to his claims. This fact coupled with your statement that you considered those people with him in the court to be 'his family' is what inspired the point that I raised, that I don't feel you have tried to address.

    I'm sorry if my style confuses you, when I say "Are you saying", I actually mean "Are you then by necessary implication implying..." or "Are you then tacitly saying...", just to be perfectly clear. But I really don't feel like forcing myself to jump through those kinds of linguistic hoops on the internet for someone who I don't feel wants to share the joy of being a fellow student in discussion, so I think I will pass on attempting to further this discussion.

    My summation: I guess you are technically right that they walked away, but for me the true spirit of a walk, is not accompanied by a repeated call for people to "hurry" (or in others words, a call for them to move fast)- it makes me think that he had adopted those people that were with him (or perhaps they were his natural family), in any case, I question whether it was proper for those people to be used so that the living man could easily overt a court proceeding. The living man cannot act lawfully or improperly, but those person's he was commanding- do not seem without gender relations, and are therefore not immune to having their energy displaced and subverted into fruitless activity, unlike the energy secure position the living man subsists in. That was the impropriety I intensely sensed as those person's aided a non-person to act outside of the bounds required for proper standing. To put it simply, those people showed signs of a disorderly mob because there is no full understanding on how to get what you want properly while keeping a full semblance of order. As I said before, in my country, when you do it right;- you get escorted back out through the front entrance by the bailiff, like you would see any visitor out through your front door.
    Second Addition: the phrase: 'if you lie with dogs, your gonna catch fleas' comes to mind.

    When I say energy, I mean chi, which I define as "the force of the will".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    No, I'm saying that the Living Man speaks for himself and moves as he will by right of Natural Universal Law.




    I, being a third party observer, saw the Living Man walking away from a proceeding that was abandoned by the presiding judge. And so that's how I would describe it.



    Where is "over there"? Do you mean Three Forks, Montana, the State of Montana, or the United States of America? Either way, the Living Man stated in the video that he had already won his case in a higher court, and that this previous ruling sets a precedent that the lower court should obey.
    "Over there" is in the hearts of understanding of the people who were in the living man's entourage.

    My general comment (don't expect you to be interested, might not apply to your legal system so well either):
    Precedent must be considered before it can be relied on, the presiding officer either didn't seem to have been handed all the relevant papers or wasn't wasn't given the opportunity to preside over them, which is her function in court until jurisdiction is challenged. When people use the proper channel to institute what should be done, we will all have less issues arising in the future. Get an injunction with sanctions attached, or use a notary process to collect fees that you have made a prior claim about in the case of certain forms of interference after laying the framework with the relevant authority, or submit a particular kind of diagnosis as you register for tax. You know there are people:- who when their file comes up on the system it says: DO NOT ARREST/PROSECUTE WITHOUT SPECIAL PERMISSION FROM THE SECRETARY OF HOME AFFAIRS. Obviously a living man doesn't care for such things, but I just wonder about the lives of that entourage must consist of, attending court in what must be some regular work day. In my opinion, it might be a bit entertaining, however being misled like that will be costly unless it leads to something greater than was on display in that youtube clip.

    Apology: sorry, now I am just farming you for a greater post count XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetshumody View Post
    "Over there" is in the hearts of understanding of the people who were in the living man's entourage.

    My general comment (don't expect you to be interested, might not apply to your legal system so well either):
    Precedent must be considered before it can be relied on, the presiding officer either didn't seem to have been handed all the relevant papers or wasn't wasn't given the opportunity to preside over them, which is her function in court until jurisdiction is challenged. When people use the proper channel to institute what should be done, we will all have less issues arising in the future. Get an injunction with sanctions attached, or use a notary process to collect fees that you have made a prior claim about in the case of certain forms of interference after laying the framework with the relevant authority, or submit a particular kind of diagnosis as you register for tax. You know there are people:- who when their file comes up on the system it says: DO NOT ARREST/PROSECUTE WITHOUT SPECIAL PERMISSION FROM THE SECRETARY OF HOME AFFAIRS. Obviously a living man doesn't care for such things, but I just wonder about the lives of that entourage must consist of, attending court in what must be some regular work day. In my opinion, it might be a bit entertaining, however being misled like that will be costly unless it leads to something greater than was on display in that youtube clip.

    Apology: sorry, now I am just farming you for a greater post count XD
    That's fine, farm away! There is always plenty of room for further clarification of your posts, at any rate. And if it makes you happy, the Living Man was arrested and brought back to court where he was then charged with contempt and led away in handcuffs after accusing the prosecuting attorney of being an agent for the nation of Britain and refusing to back down from the judge's ruling that the Living Man's objection was not sustainable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    That's fine, farm away! There is always plenty of room for further clarification of your posts, at any rate. And if it makes you happy, the Living Man was arrested and brought back to court where he was then charged with contempt and led away in handcuffs after accusing the prosecuting attorney of being an agent for the nation of Britain and refusing to back down from the judge's ruling that the Living Man's objection was not sustainable.
    If it doesn't make me happy would he have not been charged with contempt? 0.o

    joking aside, that does sound unfortunate... A very good website is called 'creditors in commerce', I don't know how many more avenues you've looked within the broader freeman movement, but that one is especially good I think. You just have to remember there are so many ways of doing things properly, the important thing is, whatever your doing should be expressly understood and stand up to scrutiny. If you don't put on a good performance in court, you have no hope; and a sign of dishonor is a terrible stinker, until it is explained away or covered over by subsequent conduct. There are about 4 basic legal maxims that can cover someone pretty well... the first in my law is "audi alteram partem", without this there is no court (no court of record at least), the second is: 'It is not enough for justice to be done, it must be seen too be done' (or how can we call it justice- this principle builds off the first), the third is: 'don't misunderstand what you should understand;- so ask questions and rectify your statements accordingly' (or just object to the proceedings in general as you can no longer follow the proceedings as you have been left behind through not understanding some prior legalese, insist on plain english being used- or ask why you should be reasonably expected to understand legal English- this can be asserted through making a few judicial notices (which is basically presenting the court with a generally accepted opinion of fact as to how society at large understands the world to work), Now I can't think of a fourth rule, but its very important to be able to do 3 things: 'Know when (and how) to say: "Forgive me" (and never beg for forgiveness. i.e. DONT SAY "PLEASE" or "MAY" etc), learn to object to everything you don't believe on and make a record of your qualifier in case it doesn't land up on the Judge's version of his/her court's record, it's also useful as it will probably come up later if your not afforded an opportunity to state the reason for your objection, thirdly: only speak when addressed unless you are objecting and follow direction of the presiding officer, and make note of any direction's you find cumbersome (or unjust) so you may complain of it at an appropriate time when asserting a claim of yours.... and please learn how to be 'a people' (singular), and please don't aspire to be 'a living man'.

    This above might only be useful at all in a court that will hear constitutional matters, I believe your lower courts (as the one's in my country), are not capable of trying people, only dealing with persons'... when they try to address the fiction, you can just say "Are you trying to address me?" if they say yes, you've won already. I'm sure with your Ti you can work that one out;- you just need to make the correct follow up assertions so you can bank on your victory, this is most easily done by stating "Let the record reflect the presiding officer agree's that addressing my person does not amount to addressing my life sign". By the way, Star Trek is very frecking useful for correct terminology to bring the future into the present day court room... lawls; the Creditors in Commerce people bring the follow useful phrase up a lot also (and it bears remembering): "Resistance is futile" [so learn to respond well!]

    later addition: Oh, and make sure you understand who (and what) you are! Because that will determine your legal status... by the way, Who are you? (the legal definition of who is; "how you are known" (at least that's what a judge told me))

    further addition: there is probably a better way of describing how to object, but if you follow all those guidelines you will extract from the judge what and how you should object to: like a witness's opinion should not really be objected to (except for when the testimony exceeds the witness' own personal directly garnered knowledge) (because you have the tool of cross examination to test the testimony- which doesn't have to be fatal to the testimony at the time of its practice; i.e. you ask question "if" questions about things you know will later be proved, and you use those propositions as leverage to offer the witness a way to question/doubt the validity of his/her own testimony [you could call this, testing testimony against possible future facts that will later come out of the wood work- because witnesses often are so invested in certain narratives they have no clue about what really was going on at the time, and so the only way to actually test their story is with unproven conditional questions- if the judge interfere's you must try explain this to him covertly (this requires tact if he will not allow a side bar))

    All of this was just my personal style however...
    the basic strategy is: "people's stories change as the facts change" therefore: get them to limit their story according to certain facts that they are uncertain/doubtful about. This stratagem doesn't work when someone has the humility to say "if X then I don't know XYZ" or "if X then I wouldn't know XYZ", but for them to do this requires a full understanding, which is somewhat rare in the population as of this Monday, 27th Jan 2014.

    Anyway, goodnight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetshumody View Post
    If it doesn't make me happy would he have not been charged with contempt? 0.o

    joking aside, that does sound unfortunate... A very good website is called 'creditors in commerce', I don't know how many more avenues you've looked within the broader freeman movement, but that one is especially good I think. You just have to remember there are so many ways of doing things properly, the important thing is, whatever your doing should be expressly understood and stand up to scrutiny. If you don't put on a good performance in court, you have no hope; and a sign of dishonor is a terrible stinker, until it is explained away or covered over by subsequent conduct. There are about 4 basic legal maxims that can cover someone pretty well... the first in my law is "audi alteram partem", without this there is no court (no court of record at least), the second is: 'It is not enough for justice to be done, it must be seen too be done' (or how can we call it justice- this principle builds off the first), the third is: 'don't misunderstand what you should understand;- so ask questions and rectify your statements accordingly' (or just object to the proceedings in general as you can no longer follow the proceedings as you have been left behind through not understanding some prior legalese, insist on plain english being used- or ask why you should be reasonably expected to understand legal English- this can be asserted through making a few judicial notices (which is basically presenting the court with a generally accepted opinion of fact as to how society at large understands the world to work), Now I can't think of a fourth rule, but its very important to be able to do 3 things: 'Know when (and how) to say: "Forgive me" (and never beg for forgiveness. i.e. DONT SAY "PLEASE" or "MAY" etc), learn to object to everything you don't believe on and make a record of your qualifier in case it doesn't land up on the Judge's version of his/her court's record, it's also useful as it will probably come up later if your not afforded an opportunity to state the reason for your objection, thirdly: only speak when addressed unless you are objecting and follow direction of the presiding officer, and make note of any direction's you find cumbersome (or unjust) so you may complain of it at an appropriate time when asserting a claim of yours.... and please learn how to be 'a people' (singular), and please don't aspire to be 'a living man'.

    This above might only be useful at all in a court that will hear constitutional matters, I believe your lower courts (as the one's in my country), are not capable of trying people, only dealing with persons'... when they try to address the fiction, you can just say "Are you trying to address me?" if they say yes, you've won already. I'm sure with your Ti you can work that one out;- you just need to make the correct follow up assertions so you can bank on your victory, this is most easily done by stating "Let the record reflect the presiding officer agree's that addressing my person does not amount to addressing my life sign". By the way, Star Trek is very frecking useful for correct terminology to bring the future into the present day court room... lawls; the Creditors in Commerce people bring the follow useful phrase up a lot also (and it bears remembering): "Resistance is futile" [so learn to respond well!]

    later addition: Oh, and make sure you understand who (and what) you are! Because that will determine your legal status... by the way, Who are you? (the legal definition of who is; "how you are known" (at least that's what a judge told me))

    further addition: there is probably a better way of describing how to object, but if you follow all those guidelines you will extract from the judge what and how you should object to: like a witness's opinion should not really be objected to (except for when the testimony exceeds the witness' own personal directly gathered knowledge) (because you have the tool of cross examination to test the testimony- which doesn't have to be fatal to the testimony at the time of its practice; i.e. you ask question "if" questions about things you know will later be proved, and you use those propositions as leverage to offer the witness a way to question/doubt the validity of his/her own testimony [you could call this, testing testimony against possible future facts that will later come out of the wood work- because witnesses often are so invested in certain narratives they have no clue about what really was going on at the time, and so the only way to actually test their story is with unproven conditional questions- if the judge interfere's you must try explain this to him covertly (this requires tact if he will not allow a side bar)])

    All of this is just my personal style however...
    And IF you gave this advice to the Living Man (which is very good, by the way), what do you suppose his response would be?

    Also: resistance has worked, in the past, in terms of creating social change.
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    Resistance might draw awareness to a problem, so that work is done on a proper response to the situation. But resistance itself is incapable of producing fruit, only a response (which is usually planned) will bear fruit.

    I might have to talk to my Priest before giving you a proper answer, I can only give you my own understanding on this, which might be subject to error, and which might not be safe to divulge also.

    But to put it as simply as I can fathom: I wouldn't give any advice to the living man himself, as the zen allegory goes, you cannot pour tea into a cup that is already full. A living man is a shark that believes himself enlightened (and in a way, he is enlightened), and as such, the living man is unfit to receive the kingdom of God, as he isn't even seeking it (having received his own special pedestal), so he must stay confined in a paradise Garden until someone can forge him a bridge to walk on, so that he can be "like a child" and be a true member of a 'them' (and community [which requires appreciating lawfulness; so your relationship can truly be with a word)]). But the living man will even see the light and agree that God is also a word (1John: In the beginning, the word was with god, AND THE WORD WAS A GOD);- but he will love the darkness too much to change (for who would forsake enlightenment?). It is impossible to even begin to believe that the word is a god without already dealing with some form of fiction [this sentence was edited**]. The trick to understanding this issue, is that it is not right with God to be perfect: the proper state of being (whenever there is a "them") is to be perfecting* ("like a child") I have practical idea's on how to go about forging the bridge I spoke of, but I will get clarity from my Priest before I speak about that online.
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    In case anybody was wondering, the Living Man's corporate-fiction capitalized name is Ernie Tertelgte. The dimwit judge pronounced it "turtle-gate," but it is actually pronounced "ter-TELL-tee."
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