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    Hooray Thailand is at 63 and is going down! I think it's going to go down even further very shortly, perhaps after tonight, when it becomes a full-fledged police state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Can you find a single country rated below 60 (Moderately free or lower) where you would not mind living for a decade?

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    I live in no.75, and I don't mind it at all (I've been over here for 27 years)

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    Interesting how Belgium is ranked #35 as "moderately free".

    I dont think economic freedom is the only kind of freedom, its part of the equation though. The other being the mindset that people have in a country. Or maybe they are related, I dont know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Can you find a single country rated below 60 (Moderately free or lower) where you would not mind living for a decade?

    http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
    I am not a radical leftist, but Cuba is considered a quite nice place to live for a white man with money.

    Of course that doesn't hold if you are one of the nonwhite locals with no money.

    Then again you could say the same about the US.

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    I'm not a marxist/socialist/anarchist, but I still think it's cool to answer the question. The question is way to vague and narrow. The question that should be first asked is what would constitute and be the criterias for a good place to live? High GDP, High HDI? Cultural compatability? Because economic freedom obviously doesn't neccesarily equal good-life quality, good access to health-care, good career prospects, good access to public facilities and so on.

    You can live perfectly fine in a developing country, provided you're in a situation where money is never an issue, and you can also on the other extreme live on the poverty-line in US, or as Street sweeper in UK, and have shit life-quality. Economic freedom-----/-----Life quality. I'm not a fat cat capitalist who'd benefit of having less buisness regulations, less goverment involvement in affairs. The only two meaningful indexes that would affect me is freedom from corruption and property rights. Most of the indexes only pretty much benefit capital owners. One might argue that political freedom is related to economic freedom, but I don't buy it. There are other ways to suppress political dissidents without state using its authority and legislation.

    I think it's also bullshit. Most developing countries should rank high on all these indexes, save for freedom from corruption.
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    He should have asked the question differently.


    If you're rich, most places are are ok (except truly failed states).

    The real test is 'where would you rather be poor'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Can you find a single country rated below 60 (Moderately free or lower) where you would not mind living for a decade?

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    France, Portugal, Italy. In that order. This is subject to change based on new information. If this were a real decision I'd certainly do some research first. Economic opportunity is not the only factor I'd consider. Education for my daughters, upward mobility, crime rates, cost of living etc. to name most, although I'm positive this list would grow, in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    France, Portugal, Italy. In that order. This is subject to change based on new information. If this were a real decision I'd certainly do some research first. Economic opportunity is not the only factor I'd consider. Education for my daughters, upward mobility, crime rates, cost of living etc. to name most, although I'm positive this list would grow, in time.
    wow, Greece gets 55 and Saudi Arabia gets 62, and Qatar and UAE in the 70s.

    I think it's clear what kind of "freedom" these people care about, and it is not human freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    wow, Greece gets 55 and Saudi Arabia gets 62, and Qatar and UAE in the 70s.

    I think it's clear what kind of "freedom" these people care about, and it is not human freedom.
    UAE is high on the list in part precisely because employers there can essentially do whatever they want with immigrant workers, no matter how exploitative. That is essentially what the index means by "labor freedom".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    UAE is high on the list in part precisely because employers there and essentially do whatever they want with immigrant workers, no matter how exploitative. That is essentially what the index means by "labor freedom".
    I wonder if @SolitaryWalker would like to live a month as a construction worker in the UAE.

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