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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    No argument from me on that. But it is where some people want to connect the birth control pill with actual abortion.
    I guess it all depends on your definition of abortion.


    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    It is just election time hype, part of the show for the good cop/bad cop thing.
    I'm getting sick of this election already, and I live on the other side of the planet. Hurry up and vote already ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    I'm getting sick of this election already, and I live on the other side of the planet. Hurry up and vote already ffs.
    At least you don't have to put up with the television campaign ads that are forthcoming here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    I'm getting sick of this election already, and I live on the other side of the planet. Hurry up and vote already ffs.
    I just don't watch TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    It contests the moral argument behind it. Most people who speak of what's wrong with birth control talk about the horrors of "destroying a life", but these people obviously don't care when small animals, die do they? In fact, a lot of people on the "pro-life" side of things are on the excact opposite side of the animal rights debate. It's hypocritical and inconsistent. These people are even against genetic research most of the time. How it is that a zygote has a right to life, but cows can be run through slaughter-house en masse, is beyond me.
    Did you forget the part of the Bible where it says: And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." ?

    Did I mention that a lot them favor the death penalty? They heavily undermine their own argument with these other stances of theirs.
    Unborn children are considered to be 'innocent'. Those given the death penalty are not considered to be 'innocent'.
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    Soon abstinence will become illegal as well.
    Why do we always come here?

    I guess we'll never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirilis View Post
    Found an article making its way around the news sites-

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/wa...us&oref=slogin



    Anyone else disturbed by this?
    When I read this, I have to think about George Carlin's rant about the fact that people who are against birth control and abortion often do not want to help mothers who then have to deal with children when they are still children themselves....

    Seems a little too inconsistent for my taste....

    Besides, the issue of contraception - if it is referring to condoms - is not only a moral issue; it is a health issue. People who use condoms are much, much less likely to get STDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    HAHAHAHA...way to go, chick!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    HAHAHAHA...way to go, chick!!!
    Ya, that's freaking righteous CaptainChick comes through again!
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    I don't value discriminatory hiring practices based on a given candidate's religious affiliation or moral belief.

    That said, I don't value the government telling business owners who they can and cannot hire, either explicitly or implicitly.

    I do think the definition of abortion as given in the article is quite broad. That said, I can understand the stated perspective, both morally and scientifically.

    I fully support people being able to make their own choices as it concerns their own body and well-being. I do not value nor support when people not involved or responsible for the choice are made to pay for it via taxation.

    I value natural family planning.


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