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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't really care. People can say whatever the hell they want as far as I'm concerned. What really annoys me is that people make such a big issue out of it, and the righteous indignation is a big turnoff. It makes an enemy out of a potential ally.
    I agree. The irony of course being that by making such a big deal out of it, you create a secret allure to make people want to use it more. As simple physics tells us, for every action there's an equal reaction. Same principle at play here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't really care. People can say whatever the hell they want as far as I'm concerned. What really annoys me is that people make such a big issue out of it, and the righteous indignation is a big turnoff. It makes an enemy out of a potential ally.
    This is kind of true. I mean, if one is really a racist, then they will not have any problem using the term in the most derogatory way possible, both in public and in private. That is, unless you believe that white people, by virtue of their privileged position within society, all secretly wish to maintain their position of power (even in discourse) despite what they may say to the contrary. This is why I have a problem with that kind of identity politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Yeah, people use it. Most recently I was at a party with a white guy who was throwing that and other racial epithets around. This time he was drunk but before when we went out he was not and when I said something to him about it, he told me I had no sense of humor. How many other times have I heard it when I was in college? This wasn't decades ago with old white people. This was young people in their 20s.

    Once I was walking from class in front of two guys and I was wearing a hoodie. I heard two guys behind me talking. One of the guys said his parents were out of town and he had the BMW or some other nice car. His friend suggested they go to the Flats to party. The other guy said he didn't want to take his parent's car there for some nigger to steal it. Of course I was shocked when I heard it and I debated with myself whether or not to saying anything. I couldn't contain myself and turned around to open my mouth but the shock on those guys' face so absolutely priceless that I didn't even have to say a word. These were two dudes thinking they were in all-white company and could just say it casually. I've had white people say what their father or uncle or some other relative says when they're in the privacy of their home. Once again, this isn't some distant past thing, this has been since 2000 when I was in college.

    Not everyone has that inner monologue and good judgment to know what to say and what not to say. I'm not resting on the good judgment of other people because I see it fail them on a daily basis. Some people have no clue.
    I would have loved to see the look on the faces of those guys, that would have been hilarious.

    I never use the word, but not because I care about how it makes others feel. I see it as an unintelligent insult, a word inbred rednecks use (and if there's any group I despise, it's rednecks). I use much more sophisticated insults, like fool and idiot. So yeah, my reasons are entirely selfish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    This is kind of true. I mean, if one is really a racist, then they will not have any problem using the term in the most derogatory way possible, both in public and in private. That is, unless you believe that white people, by virtue of their privileged position within society, all secretly wish to maintain their position of power despite what they may say to the contrary. This is why I have a problem with that kind of identity politics.

    Perhaps we should clarify that "white privilege" only exists for a small portion of the white population. Need we forget that nearly half the people living in poverty in America are white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't really care. People can say whatever the hell they want as far as I'm concerned. What really annoys me is that people make such a big issue out of it, and the righteous indignation is a big turnoff. It makes an enemy out of a potential ally.
    Did you even watch the clip?

    While watching that View clip, I found Elizabeth's stance to be grossly ignorant.

    She was basically saying that the word nigger should *never* be used by anybody, regardless of their race, neither publicly nor privately.



    She asserts that the word nigger is a bad word, period, and hence should never ever be used.



    Ignorant people who share her point of view piss me off, and I do think it's a big deal when white people claim that if they shouldn't use the word, neither should black people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I never use the word, but not because I care about how it makes others feel. I see it as an unintelligent insult, a word inbred rednecks use (and if there's any group I despise, it's rednecks).
    Ok people, spot the obvious irony here.

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    Fortunately you've helpfully highlighted it. But it's not really a 1:1 comparison, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Did you even watch the clip?

    While watching that View clip, I found Elizabeth's stance to be grossly ignorant.

    She was basically saying that the word nigger should *never* be used by anybody, regardless of their race, neither publicly nor privately.



    She asserts that the word nigger is a bad word, period, and hence should never ever be used.



    Ignorant people who share her point of view piss me off, and I do think it's a big deal when white people claim that if they shouldn't use the word, neither should black people.
    I saw Elizabeth as an irrational, overly-emotional NF trying to argue what she felt was right. I thought her argument was stupid, but not condescending because it didn't accuse anyone of anything. Her stance was at least fair and consistent. I would never support her stance. She reminded me of the someone who goes around saying 'But what about the children?!?!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Did you even watch the clip?

    While watching that View clip, I found Elizabeth's stance to be grossly ignorant.

    She was basically saying that the word nigger should *never* be used by anybody, regardless of their race, neither publicly nor privately.



    She asserts that the word nigger is a bad word, period, and hence should never ever be used.



    Ignorant people who share her point of view piss me off, and I do think it's a big deal when white people claim that if they shouldn't use the word, neither should black people.

    If the N-word really is as offensive as people keep claiming it is, then why the hell would you even want to use it in the first place? If they use it, then that sends a signal that it's not really a big deal anymore.

    Literally a year ago, the NAACP held a "funeral" for the N-word in Detroit. And they also addressed the fact that the word needs to be stop being used in rap songs and so on. Kinda ironic for Mayor Kilpatrick to say, since he proclaims himself America's first hip-hop mayor, but enough of that.

    So it's not like this basic viewpoint isn't shared by many elements of the Black community. Of course many Blacks I noticed thought this whole incident was a joke.

    Of course I'm of the view that our society, and especially the Black community, have bigger issues to worry about than a fricking word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Ok people, spot the obvious irony here.
    I freely admit that I don't like rednecks. I've never denied that to anyone. I've even said that to a redneck's face, before.

    And I agree with Ivy, comparing the two doesn't work really well. A redneck is white, but they have certain traits that are not biological, they're learned.

    Edit: Actually, there are some rednecks that I like, but if I meet you and you resemble the stereotypical redneck and talk with that annoying unintelligent-sounding southern accent, you're fighting an uphill battle in trying to get me to like you.
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