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    Default Kelly Thomas' death - was justice served?

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/manuel-...eath-1.2495566

    Two California police officers who were videotaped in a violent struggle with a homeless man during an arrest were acquitted Monday of killing him.

    It was a rare case in which police officers were charged in a death involving actions on duty. One of the officers acquitted had been charged with murder.

    Jurors took less than two days to reach their verdicts.

    33-minute video of confrontation
    The arrest was captured on a 33-minute surveillance video that was key evidence at the trial. It showed Kelly Thomas struggling with six police officers, who hit, kneed and jolted him with an electric stun gun as he was on the ground, calling out for his father over and over again.
    Former Fullerton police officer Manuel Ramos was acquitted of second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter in the 2011 death of Thomas.

    Former Cpl. Jay Cicinelli was acquitted of involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force.

    Spectators let out a gasp as the verdict was read.

    Cicinelli, 41, wiped tears from his eyes and Ramos, 39, put his head down and rubbed his temples before turning to his supporters and winking.
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    Illustration by Michael Em:
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    Was justice served?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qrious View Post
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    Illustration by Michale Em:
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    Was justice served?
    Need more facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qrious View Post
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    Was justice served?
    No...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Need more facts.
    http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/wp-c...Thomas-FPD.pdf

    There's also the surveillance video footage of the whole thing floating about.

    And the internet is your friend. If you are so invested...

    Quote Originally Posted by AngelLight2012 View Post
    No...
    And this is not an isolated case of police brutality being swept under the rug. It speaks to a culture - a Brotherhood of Blue - that gives certain individuals a sense of entitlement, that, although they maintain the law for others, they, somehow, are "above" it. Why is this?

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    "Now see my fists? They are getting ready to fuck you up."

    Talking apes are impressive, eh?

    From what I have read, the deceased was unarmed. Was there Justice? Sure, if you pronounce the word: Just-us. The people who are being served and protected are the police.
    Did anyone bother to test the officers for steroids? Food for thought.

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    "What we need to talk about is..."
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    talk talk talk talk talk. You know what you gotta do.

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    Have any of you ever served on a jury? I can assure you that unless the case is interesting debating their innocence or guilt is boring as hell. In mine we were locked in a room together for five hours and at the end I didn't care whether she was innocent or guilty I just wanted to get out of there. Two days must have been a nightmare for the indifferent in the room. That being said I would look forward to doing it again.

    I would say that part of the reason for miscarriages of justice lie with the jury. They are human, they are probably not aware of the nuances of the legal code and they are not without bias. They could analyse the data for a time but when they realise that an impasse has been reached they seek to push for a resolution even though the data could or should be checked over several more times.

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    Have any of you ever served on a jury? I can assure you that unless the case is interesting debating their innocence or guilt is boring as hell. In mine we were locked in a room together for five hours and at the end I didn't care whether she was innocent or guilty I just wanted to get out of there. Two days must have been a nightmare for the indifferent in the room. That being said I would look forward to doing it again.

    I would say that part of the reason for miscarriages of justice lie with the jury. They are human, they are probably not aware of the nuances of the legal code and they are not without bias. They could analyse the data for a time but when they realise that an impasse has been reached they seek to push for a resolution even though the data could or should be checked over several more times.

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    Looks like he trolled the cops for no good reason.

    Doesn't justify a murder though. They should all be convicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    Have any of you ever served on a jury? I can assure you that unless the case is interesting debating their innocence or guilt is boring as hell. In mine we were locked in a room together for five hours and at the end I didn't care whether she was innocent or guilty I just wanted to get out of there. Two days must have been a nightmare for the indifferent in the room. That being said I would look forward to doing it again.

    I would say that part of the reason for miscarriages of justice lie with the jury. They are human, they are probably not aware of the nuances of the legal code and they are not without bias. They could analyse the data for a time but when they realise that an impasse has been reached they seek to push for a resolution even though the data could or should be checked over several more times.
    This is wrong, though - anyone serving on the jury should realize how much weight their decision carries, especially in cases such as this!

    The actions that those cops took were COMPLETELY unjustified, why couldn't the jury understand that much at least?
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