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    We can discuss the harmful things said about Obama, Biden, and Clinton, but I thought this was a powerful excerpt.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...06851526222552


    Wars are a lot easier to get into than out of. Those who ask about exit strategies or question what will happen if assumptions prove wrong are rarely welcome at the conference table when the fire-breathers are demanding that we strike—as they did when advocating invading Iraq, intervening in Libya and Syria, or bombing Iran's nuclear sites. But in recent decades, presidents confronted with tough problems abroad have too often been too quick to reach for a gun. Our foreign and national security policy has become too militarized, the use of force too easy for presidents.

    Today, too many ideologues call for U.S. force as the first option rather than a last resort. On the left, we hear about the "responsibility to protect" civilians to justify military intervention in Libya, Syria, Sudan and elsewhere. On the right, the failure to strike Syria or Iran is deemed an abdication of U.S. leadership. And so the rest of the world sees the U.S. as a militaristic country quick to launch planes, cruise missiles and drones deep into sovereign countries or ungoverned spaces. There are limits to what even the strongest and greatest nation on Earth can do—and not every outrage, act of aggression, oppression or crisis should elicit a U.S. military response.

    This is particularly worth remembering as technology changes the face of war. A button is pushed in Nevada, and seconds later a pickup truck explodes in Mosul. A bomb destroys the targeted house on the right and leaves the one on the left intact. For too many people—including defense "experts," members of Congress, executive branch officials and ordinary citizens—war has become a kind of videogame or action movie: bloodless, painless and odorless. But my years at the Pentagon left me even more skeptical of systems analysis, computer models, game theories or doctrines that suggest that war is anything other than tragic, inefficient and uncertain.

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    I came to believe that no one who had actually been in combat could walk away without scars, without some measure of post-traumatic stress. And while those I visited in the hospitals put on a brave front, in my mind's eye, I could see them lying awake, alone, in the hours before dawn, confronting their pain, broken dreams and shattered lives. I would wake in the night, think back to a wounded soldier or Marine I had seen at Landstuhl, Bethesda or Walter Reed, and in my imagination, I would put myself in his hospital room, and I would hold him to my chest to comfort him. At home, in the night, I silently wept for him. So when a young soldier in Afghanistan asked me once what kept me awake at night, I answered honestly: He did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    We can discuss the harmful things said about Obama, Biden, and Clinton, but I thought this was a powerful excerpt.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...06851526222552
    The plot thickens...

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    US the biggest threat to world peace in 2013 – poll

    The US has been voted as the most significant threat to world peace in a survey across 68 different countries. Anti-American sentiment was not only recorded in antagonistic countries, but also in many allied NATO partners like Turkey and Greece.
    http://rt.com/news/us-biggest-threat-peace-079/

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    Nice to know he's changed his mind after participating in the circles behind all the military clusterfucks of the past 14 years. I'm sure he'll lack any effectual position for the rest of his life while he waxes philosophical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I'm sure he'll lack any effectual position for the rest of his life while he waxes philosophical.
    I'm sure that's not an issue for him. He worked far longer than he wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I'm sure that's not an issue for him. He worked far longer than he wanted.
    It's an issue for me that these kinds of guys always seem to have their epiphanies after it matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    It's an issue for me that these kinds of guys always seem to have their epiphanies after it matters.
    Oh, sure I get that.

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