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    It has been theorized that over the past few decades we have been seeing more people, in America, sorting themselves into where they live. While politics is the least of our concerns when it comes to why people are sorting themselves, it does seem to paint a picture on why politics tend to play such a role on those respective communities.

    Some stereotypes that have been found through census data has shown

    Some lifestyles that tend to point to a Democrat are:
    • Big City
    • "Openness" - "tolerating" more views/perspectives
    • Individuality - Different people, the need for not being tied to every other person.


    Some lifestyles that tend to point to a Republican are:
    • Smaller Towns/Cities, especially rural
    • Familiarity - Like knowing a lot of the people that live around you.
    • Congruity - Like having the same "views" (going to church together is but one example,) but being very out of line with your peers isn't that great. You know, doing a lot of things together with neighbors and such.


    Are you part of that stereotype? Do you live in one of these environments? Have you contemplated about moving to a city that has these qualities, but that also have secondary leanings with your political views?

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    The big sort has more to it than you mentioned above.

    Not only are people sorting themselves, but so are parties.

    Whereas parties used to be regional entities with many more intra party conflicts of interest (meaning that there used to be conservative Dem's and liberal Rep's).

    Increasingly, the parties are sorting themselves, so that former conservative Dem's are now in the Rep party and vice versa.

    So now, each party is more purely aligned along the ideological divide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    Are you part of that stereotype? Do you live in one of these environments? Have you contemplated about moving to a city that has these qualities, but that also have secondary leanings with your political views?
    To answer your question.

    Yes I am part of a stereotype, although I've never lived in a very small town, the Jax metro area has 1.2 million people.

    Jax is weird b/c its a relatively large city (in the top 40 metro areas in the US) but its a solidly Red county and city.

    I bet its one of the largest Red cities in the country.

    I've more than contemplated living in a city, I've have lived in DC (about as liberal a city as there is).

    DC was about as big a city as I can comfortably live in though.

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    I'm the polar opposite of my town, I'm an Atheist Libertarian Socialist in "the Bible Belt". My small town is infested with Republican ideals, though there are some Democrats, but they are shunned (along with Catholics).

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    @DiscoBiscuit, definitely more to it than what I just stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I'm the polar opposite of my town, I'm an Atheist Libertarian Socialist in "the Bible Belt". My small town is infested with Republican ideals, though there are some Democrats, but they are shunned (along with Catholics).
    Is it really uncomfortable for you? Do you plan on some day moving to another city/small-town that is more "in line" with your views, or at least your lifestyle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    @DiscoBiscuit, definitely more to it than what I just stated.



    Is it really uncomfortable for you? Do you plan on some day moving to another city/small-town that is more "in line" with your views, or at least your lifestyle?
    Yeah its extremely uncomfortable, I'm planning to move soon, probably towards a more northern area. I've always hated this place even though it's the place I grew up in. I can't do anything here, it's an intellectual dead-zone and there aren't many opportunities to do great things.

    As for moving someplace for my views, that's virtually impossible. Most of the people that know what Libertarian Socialism is have already moved to Eastern Europe and Scandinavia, and most of the remainder just became Anarchists and Anarcho-Communists (not an oxymoron, new name for free, non-marxist, communism) . I'd be content with a tolerant atmosphere, one where people can discuss any view or opinion they have without being shunned or looked down upon (unless said view or opinion is degrading to any other opinion or view in a militant fashion).

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    I live in a medium-sized city in the South. I would say it is moderate, generally swinging blue at least in the metropolitan areas but only by a very small margin. I have lived here for much of my life and am comfortable here, but I have also lived in a more liberal city, which was more pleasing to me especially because of the focus on grassroots arts/music and environmentalism there. I prefer smaller towns/cities (though not rural) to larger ones, but in liberal areas. Good examples would be urban pockets in the Southeast and much of Long Island, NY. I suspect that living on the outskirts of a very large city (DC, NYC, etc) would be a good way to have my cake and eat it too.

    As for the sort... I am not sure I believe that it is location so much as increased polarization of political opinions and gap between parties. I feel like that's what the authors are getting at anyway, though. We need more cooperation and mutual understanding. But I think that is becoming evident anyway - the recent shutdown being a rather significant example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    It has been theorized that over the past few decades we have been seeing more people, in America, sorting themselves into where they live. While politics is the least of our concerns when it comes to why people are sorting themselves, it does seem to paint a picture on why politics tend to play such a role on those respective communities.

    Some stereotypes that have been found through census data has shown

    Some lifestyles that tend to point to a Democrat are:
    • Big City
    • "Openness" - "tolerating" more views/perspectives
    • Individuality - Different people, the need for not being tied to every other person.


    Some lifestyles that tend to point to a Republican are:
    • Smaller Towns/Cities, especially rural
    • Familiarity - Like knowing a lot of the people that live around you.
    • Congruity - Like having the same "views" (going to church together is but one example,) but being very out of line with your peers isn't that great. You know, doing a lot of things together with neighbors and such.


    Are you part of that stereotype? Do you live in one of these environments? Have you contemplated about moving to a city that has these qualities, but that also have secondary leanings with your political views?
    Yep, I fit the liberal stereotype. I live in Minneapolis, which is a fairly large city and is quite democratic and culturally diverse. I don't do any socializing with neighbors aside from saying "hi."
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