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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    The logic behind laws prioritizing non-discrimination in private businesses on account of race is based on extreme national circumstances (and therefore a compelling state interest) that do not apply to gay marriage; what you are supporting is the dilution of a fundamental right in order to prevent hurt and mild inconvenience for about 3% of the population*, as opposed to the basic capacity to participate in the economy for a large minority of the population, as was the case with racial discrimination. That is not nearly enough justification for the further dilution of religious liberty unless one believes that freedom of conscience is simply not an especially important right.

    *That, not to mention the far more important element of unequal treatment by the state, is a good enough reason to support gay marriage, but not a good enough reason to restrict the religious freedom of people who disagree.
    Freedom of conscience is nonsense. Everyone has to pay for things they don't want to pay for. My tax money is used to pay for drone strikes which kill innocent civilians in other countries. My tax money is used to bail out multi-billion dollar corporations. My tax money is used to spy on all Americans. Those all violate my conscience. Why is my "freedom of conscience" any less important than the freedom of conscience of the people who don't want to pay (actually, they don't even have to pay, they just have to offer it so the employee can pay) for contraception? Why are their objections more important? Because they're part of a religion? Well, if that's the criteria, that is the establishment of a religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Freedom of conscience is nonsense. Everyone has to pay for things they don't want to pay for.
    Taxes are a necessity for any operable government, and any funding of things in like manner is indirect, requiring no positive action in support of things one disagrees with. A better comparison would be the state requiring a business owner to provide Creationist literature to his workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Taxes are a necessity for any operable government, and any funding of things in like manner is indirect, requiring no positive action in support of things one disagrees with. A better comparison would be the state requiring a business owner to provide Creationist literature to his workers.
    You've got the positive action backwards. The positive action is picking an insurance package that doesn't have contraception coverage.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I really only know what I've seen on facebook. From that it looks as though he considers homosexuality in the same category with bestiality and grouped gay people in with terrorists.
    And the irony is that these guys make their living promoting items that allows one to pretend to be a duck, so that other amorous daffy ducks come a'calling!

    Idiots!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qrious View Post
    And the irony is that these guys make their living promoting items that allows one to pretend to be a duck, so that other amorous daffy ducks come a'calling!

    Idiots!
    Teases at the very least!
    “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
    ~ John Rogers

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