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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    This is a strange view to take in my opinion as the underlying philosophy of all pride movements of all stripes seem to take a cynical view of power and privilege where they exist in limited quantities and must be taken through violence or coercion.
    In the context of what you're referring, pride movements may be a response to observing unequal power concentration, but I won't go so far as to naturalize to them the purpose of seeking complete displacement. Distribution can be the goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palm View Post
    In the context of what you're referring, pride movements may be a response to observing unequal power concentration, but I won't go so far as to generalize to them the purpose of seeking complete displacement. Distribution can be the goal.
    Yeah, but my issue is that it's inherently utilitarian. You're judging by the end result not by how people on the whole are treated. Moreover, is it not true that absolute power corrupts absolutely? I'm not sure why I should trust anyone who wants to use large-scale coercive action to be able to judge when the adequate distribution of power has been achieved especially when such a judgement is entirely subjective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I support things like a White student union etc..
    I support the brunette student union.

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    @Beorn
    Pride movements are not inherently utilitarian, though I can see why you have that impression. A minority pride movement is at odds with utilitarian calculation. (Tangent: any movement that seeks to protect individuality has stronger theoretical backing on deontological side of normative ethics continuum.) And I disagree that coercion or violence are inherent to pride movements, although pride movements may be used to justify extremism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palm View Post
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    Pride movements are not inherently utilitarian, though I can see why you have that impression. A minority pride movement is at odds with utilitarian calculation.
    How is it at odds with utilitarian calculation?

    And I disagree that coercion or violence are inherent to pride movements, although pride movements may be used to justify extremism.
    The ADA, ENDA, the Civil rights act are all large-scale coercive acts supported by pride movements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    How is it at odds with utilitarian calculation?



    The ADA, ENDA, the Civil rights act are all large-scale coercive acts supported by pride movements.
    I'm not getting into this. I answered the OP. You're free to continue to claim that any pride movement is extremist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I support the brunette student union.

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    White people are so embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    White people are so embarrassing.
    Fixed that for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palm View Post
    I'm not getting into this. I answered the OP. You're free to continue to continue to claim that any pride movement is extremist.
    My comments about pride movements were a little more specific than merely calling them "extremist" which seems to be a rather pointless nondescript term mostly used to emotionally manipulate people. Some things are certainly worth being extreme about. Human rights are indeed one of those things.

    I was interested in hearing answers to my questions. Oh well, I'm sure somebody else will chime in.
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