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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    The Tea Partiers I know are also conservative Christians. They believe the Founding Fathers were Christian and that American should be a Christian nation. To them that means stuff like making abortion all but, if not completely, illegal, teacher led prayer in schools, the Bible taught as a historical narrative -- young earth creationism, etc, gay marriage prohibited in the constitution, fewer restrictions on guns and gun owners, employers having a right to refuse to cover birth control, and favor abstinence only sex education in public schools.

    They also are fiscal conservatives (sort of): they disapprove of public assistance for poor people under most circumstances, want lower taxes, they may want to get rid off, cut, or privatize socials security, and maybe medicare, get rid of the minimum wage or at least not raise it and reduce regulation for businesses. They usually favor the death penalty and harsh punishment for criminals and many oppose the legalization/decriminalization of recreational drugs. They want to drug test people on public assistance or unemployment. A lot of them are in favor of privatizing public schools and virtually anything else that can be privatized because they don't think the government can do anything right.
    The Tea Party is right. The USA was founded by religious dissenters who then had a successful bourgeois revolution. So the natural values of the USA are Protestant Dissent, backed by a Mercantile Economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    The Tea Party is not a grassroots organization. It's a fake grassroots organization. I'm not going to go into detail but to summarize, some rich guys (including the Koch brothers, of course) created the Tea Party so it would look like a grassroots organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Vocal members of the Tea Party have taken clear anti-abortion, anti-gay, and anti-science stands. It's Tea Party candidates like Todd Akin who use phrases like "legitimate rape". Paul "evolution is a lie from the pit of hell" Broun is also a member of the Tea Party.

    Bingo. Usually they also believe in things like the New World Order or that the antichrist is going to appear leading the E.U. or something. I'm not even joking.
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    Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated

    This is the New York Times article by Kate Zernike on the Tea Party. I'm sure they received support from some rich folks, but then so does every "movement", including OWS. However, these people were not paid to attend the various gatherings or bussed in like Union workers to protest Scott Walker in Wisconsin.

    Some data on education, religiosity, ideology, and science comprehension

    But then again, I don't know a single person who identifies with the Tea Party. All my impressions come from watching cable tv -- & I don't watch Fox News very often -- and reading the "paper" (New York Times daily, plus a variety of politics-focused internet sites like Huffington Post & Politico).
    If you get your information exclusively from liberal sources, you'll think Tea Partiers are racist, homophobic anarchists. That is not the case. Someone from UCLA has actually studied the racist charge at Tea Party rallies and photographed their signs. They are less racist than the population in general. They are less racist than the liberals who make the charge.

    UCLA study: Most tea party signs not racist

    As usual, liberals demonize anyone and everyone who disagrees with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated

    This is the New York Times article by Kate Zernike on the Tea Party. I'm sure they received support from some rich folks, but then so does every "movement", including OWS. However, these people were not paid to attend the various gatherings or bussed in like Union workers to protest Scott Walker in Wisconsin.
    No one thought the movement in Wisconsin was grassroots. People, like you, actually believe the Tea Party is grassroots. It's not.

    As for Tea Party "backers" being wealthier and more educated, I totally believe the wealthier part. I doubt there's a single inner-city poor person who is a Tea Party member. As for the "more educated" part, who educated these people? From your link:

    “I just feel he’s getting away from what America is,” said Kathy Mayhugh, 67, a retired medical transcriber in Jacksonville. “He’s a socialist. And to tell you the truth, I think he’s a Muslim and trying to head us in that direction, I don’t care what he says. He’s been in office over a year and can’t find a church to go to. That doesn’t say much for him.”
    Obama is not a liberal or a progressive. He might act like he's progressive during campaigns, but while in office he's as pro-establishment as you can be.

    Some data on education, religiosity, ideology, and science comprehension

    If you get your information exclusively from liberal sources, you'll think Tea Partiers are racist, homophobic anarchists. That is not the case. Someone from UCLA has actually studied the racist charge at Tea Party rallies and photographed their signs. They are less racist than the population in general. They are less racist than the liberals who make the charge.

    UCLA study: Most tea party signs not racist

    As usual, liberals demonize anyone and everyone who disagrees with them.
    I do know some Tea Party members, personally. They're among the least educated, most religious people I know. When I lived in DC, I saw some Tea Party signs first hand. I saw signs with Obama portrayed as Hitler (with the mustache). That may not be racist, but that's as stupid as eating Vagisil. I know my experiences are anecdotal, though.

    As for this study, I'm not impressed. Why? Because the average American's understanding of science is terrible. There are too many Americans who trust religion over science, despite the fact that science has brought us more in the last 100 years than religion has brought us in all of human history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus
    When I lived in DC, I saw some Tea Party signs first hand. I saw signs with Obama portrayed as Hitler (with the mustache).
    I've seen those signs here in SoCal as well. These are not classic Tea Partiers. These are the Lyndon LaRouche followers. If you read the wiki entry on LaRouche, you'll discover that this guy ran as a Democrat 7 times.

    Obama is not a liberal or a progressive. He might act like he's progressive during campaigns, but while in office he's as pro-establishment as you can be.
    Obama's agenda is identical to the agenda of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Chuck Schumer, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and every other liberal in Congress. When I say "liberal", I mean a statist who wants to empower the government to run people's lives. The Tea Party in contrast seeks to limit government power so as to give people more liberty. Have you noticed that the annual budget deficit is below $1 trillion for the first time in Obama's term? What happened? It was the Tea Party reining in the spending and forcing Obama to come up with the sequestration cuts. Everyone who wants fiscal responsibility should thank the Tea Party because this is the only faction in Congress interested in fiscal sanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    I've often wondered this. I get that Tea party republicanss are more extreme, but fundamentally, what are the differences? Do they disagree on gay marriage, health care reform, taxes, government spending, gun laws, abortion? From what i can tell, the only difference seems to be that the Tea Party is more vocal on their beliefs, whereas regular republicans don't really seem to announce they're less popular views.


    Like Chris Christie, for instance. He's supposedly a very moderate republican. How does he differ on the issues from the Tea Party?
    The Tea Party folks are immoderate. They are uncompromising - literally. They dig their heels in and insist on having things their way, regardless of any other considerations. They apply strong value judgments to political opponents (e.g. equate the opposition with "evil" or being unpatriotic), which fosters an us-vs-them mentality, rather than the idea that we are all on the same team, but with different ideas on how to reach our goals. They play all or nothing, which means they often end up with nothing.

    By contrast, more traditional Republicans have understood that, while they disagree with Democrats, Democrats are not evil, or "them", just a different flavor of "us". They understand the need to compromise; that neither side can get all of what it wants, but if each side gives a little, everyone can get something, and there will be progress. This attitude and type of working relationship was exemplified by Ronald Reagan, and then Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill, as liberal a Democrat as there ever was. Other Republicans in this mold include Richard Lugar, Arlen Specter (who became a Democrat shortly before his death), and Olympia Snowe.
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    Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I figured when it came down to it, the difference was merely on how the faction presented itself and ideals, rather than the actual ideals.

    Something funny I've noticed about the Tea Party supporters I know personally: They're way more 'liberal' than they like to believe haha. The ones I know are, of course, pretty religious (I'm a Christian, myself, but I don't believe in belonging and delving deeply into specific churches. I see religion as something that should be more personal and private, and interpreted by one's self). Anyways, they're religious in the sense that they go to church every Sunday, hold positions in the church, and have half the congregation on their facebook. Ive talked politics with some of them, and at least three that i can think of have a few super liberal views, both socially and fiscally. Yet it never fails, the same three post these totally off the wall, far right elitist statuses and talk with the other zealots about how Obama is Satan haha. It's almost like they feel they have to show they believe a certain way and profess it to the world to be seen as a good 'Christian'. They don't want their buddies spreading rumors Sunday morning haha. I just couldn't live that way. It's sad.

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