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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Also, all of this has to be tempered with what would be considered a "mass" shooting spree could have a cut-off on the low-end for the number of fatalities (for instance). If we say a dozen or more is what constitutes it being "mass", then 7/10 (70%) where white (a couple in the 80s, a couple in the 90s, the rest after 2007).

    If we limit to "school shootings" (the venues limited to schools), 8/12 were white (66%), 3/12 were Asian (25%).
    I don't think it's a coincidence that the number of mass shootings has increased after the economic collapse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't think it's a coincidence that the number of mass shootings has increased after the economic collapse.
    Culpability lies with the shooter regardless of economic travails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Culpability lies with the shooter regardless of economic travails.
    Obviously.

    Not everyone responds well to adversity. More people are facing adversity since the economic collapse than before.
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    I came across this interesting article. Also, I am planning to read this book On Killing. My kung fu instructor trains SWAT units and has worked with Special Forces. He says a lot of the problem has come about because knowledge or training methods once intended as training for specialized government operatives has fallen into the hands of desensitized individuals, mainly civilains, whose grip on reality isn't too strong anyway. Violent movies and especially electronic games play a huge role in the development of this psyche. This turns them into to killers and makes it a "game" to them, and yes, a way to "go down in history." http://www.killology.com/school_note...g_violence.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noll View Post
    Terrorist prison camps? What's that? Sounds unnecessary, why not just normal jail (and attempts at rehab)? I don't get it.
    1. We can't throw non-citizens into citizen jail. That puts them on our soil--we kind of want them to stay away from that.
    2. There are rankings in jail too. They play by their own rules there. If we threw in a terrorist that survived blowing up the WTC, for example, he would have been killed in a heart beat in our own prisons. It is more humane to put people where they are surrounded by non-Americans, especially if they're trying to terrorize Americans.
    3. Probably the most influential, it costs a LOT more to operate an American prison system than to operate a detention center overseas. They have different standards there.
    4. We really don't have the means and ways to rehabilitate terrorists. I mean, their entire premise is that the way we do things is wrong and immoral and that they will literally go to heaven by destroying this evil plague on the world. Any sort of rehab we would do would undoubtedly be ethnocentric in nature.. and thus, not really effective.

    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    That's why I said most. I actually wasn't aware that the naval yard shooter was black, but I was recalling the DC sniper killings about 10 years ago.
    I too feel that race has little to do with this.

    A majority of our population is white--and a majority of violent crimes are committed by males--and so it makes sense that white males account for a good population size in this regard. As Blackmail said, in Africa it's black people who account for a majority of crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ene View Post
    I came across this interesting article. Also, I am planning to read this book On Killing. My kung fu instructor trains SWAT units and has worked with Special Forces. He says a lot of the problem has come about because knowledge or training methods once intended as training for specialized government operatives has fallen into the hands of desensitized individuals, mainly civilains, whose grip on reality isn't too strong anyway. Violent movies and especially electronic games play a huge role in the development of this psyche. This turns them into to killers and makes it a "game" to them, and yes, a way to "go down in history." http://www.killology.com/school_note...g_violence.htm
    Of course specialised government operatives are also civilians underneath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    So you don't have statistics or evidence to back up the claim that it's middle class white men then. If you did, I suppose you would provide them.

    If there isn't a statistically significant % of perpetrators that are "middle class white men" above the percentage of them in the overall population, it blows your whole argument out of the water. It means what you are saying is fiction. I won't say you are racist or sexist because perhaps this is a popular misconception. It would just mean that you are wrong.
    Did you even read my fucking post about the difference between how black, Arabic and white sociopaths are regarded differently in this country? Or did you just pick what made you feel the most snide?

    There are multiple sources where you can observe the 70 percent of mass public shooters versus 30 percent of general population statistics. I didn't.make the.official number up.


    I have learned something very important and disturbing about some of the members of this forum after reading the response to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Culpability lies with the shooter regardless of economic travails.
    Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    1. We can't throw non-citizens into citizen jail. That puts them on our soil--we kind of want them to stay away from that.
    2. There are rankings in jail too. They play by their own rules there. If we threw in a terrorist that survived blowing up the WTC, for example, he would have been killed in a heart beat in our own prisons. It is more humane to put people where they are surrounded by non-Americans, especially if they're trying to terrorize Americans.
    3. Probably the most influential, it costs a LOT more to operate an American prison system than to operate a detention center overseas. They have different standards there.
    4. We really don't have the means and ways to rehabilitate terrorists. I mean, their entire premise is that the way we do things is wrong and immoral and that they will literally go to heaven by destroying this evil plague on the world. Any sort of rehab we would do would undoubtedly be ethnocentric in nature.. and thus, not really effective.



    I too feel that race has little to do with this.

    A majority of our population is white--and a majority of violent crimes are committed by males--and so it makes sense that white males account for a good population size in this regard. As Blackmail said, in Africa it's black people who account for a majority of crimes.
    While I agree with most of what you say, @Blackmail! has very little concept of how white killers become celebrities in this country while black men just get put in jail unless they are rappers. If you are a white man, it's enough just to commit a spectacular murder. And it's not really fair either that only Arabic men are labeled terrorists. Blackmail doesn't understand that about our country. He probably doesn't even know what I mean about Mickey and Mallory, from the way he is acting in this thread.

    Furthermore, @Bamboo made up his numbers and admitted he isn't great with statistics. My number on the other hand, of white men being 70 percent of mass public shooters and 30 percent of the general population has an official source that can easily be found by people not too busy mocking me because they for some unknown reason imagine that is the purpose of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    1. We can't throw non-citizens into citizen jail. That puts them on our soil--we kind of want them to stay away from that.
    2. There are rankings in jail too. They play by their own rules there. If we threw in a terrorist that survived blowing up the WTC, for example, he would have been killed in a heart beat in our own prisons. It is more humane to put people where they are surrounded by non-Americans, especially if they're trying to terrorize Americans.
    3. Probably the most influential, it costs a LOT more to operate an American prison system than to operate a detention center overseas. They have different standards there.
    4. We really don't have the means and ways to rehabilitate terrorists. I mean, their entire premise is that the way we do things is wrong and immoral and that they will literally go to heaven by destroying this evil plague on the world. Any sort of rehab we would do would undoubtedly be ethnocentric in nature.. and thus, not really effective.
    1. Yes you can.
    2. Killed by who? Prisoners? Staff? Fix better jails.
    3. Always, constantly about the money, I guess. We're all humans still, different standards doesn't justify cruel, violent behavior. It helps none and only serves as punishment, making only the mindless, revenge-driven brutes happy.
    4. That sounds a bit pessimistic. How can you be 100% sure it's 100% impossible 100% of the time? It isn't, unless they're complete psychopaths. Terrorist criminals, like 'normal' criminals are most likely misguided and confused, mistreated, peer pressure and the like. Harsh upbringings, bad government (no education etc) and terrible people is mostly what creates a criminal, a need for power does too. And to be honest terrorrism isn't THAT much of an issue than governments like to tell us they are. Terrorism is no different from any other crime, it's all the same.

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