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    Pretty sure "political" and "soul" are oxymorons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    What does kquirk think?

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    About what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Pretty sure "political" and "soul" are oxymorons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    This is really for a different forum. However, fellatio didn't become an ACT in its own right until Deep Throat. It existed but it wasn't discussed or "practiced" per se. I'm talking about the Western hemisphere. The RC church considered all such acts to be sins, and at one time the Church was a major political and cultural influence (it still is an influence).

    If a Lewinsky kind of scandal had existed in the 1950s you would have seen a far more powerful social reaction. There would have been a general outcry of shame ("the President put his WHAT in her WHAT???") and remorse, and that President wouldn't have survived an impeachment in the Senate as Clinton did. He would have been disgraced for life, and he certainly wouldn't be out there making $10,000 $250,000 a speech as Bill Clinton does.
    I know the RC church's teaching on sex and its pretty consistent so I can understand why it would condemn those sorts of sex acts or, quite like Clinton, not regard them as sex but perhaps something else and something sinful. Although I could very well be simplifying things, I've found that there is usually a very simple, popular message which contrasts with more nuanced and complex theological or scholarly debates when it is these sorts of things.

    Although I dont see the RCC or any of the other churches exercising that degree of influence, I dont see pornography popularising or having that kind of keynote social influence either, I know there's an argument to be made that it is more influential than many people know or would give it credit for and has led to technological innovations even but I think that's taking things a little too far. While I'm not sure its the whole story either I think that the undercover economist's citation of research findings that years and years of sex education which pretty much aimed to prohibit intercourse but did not promote abstainence per se could have lead to up swings in sexual behaviour other than sexual intercourse is an interesting one.

    What I think is truly scandalous is that Clinton and Lewinski's affair was public knowledge at all, let alone treated as grounds for impeachment, this sort of thing was not known in the days of earlier presidents and I'm sure that those figures had plenty of scandalous dealings of one sort or another. Its something very odd about the US that the public doesnt think too much about how the nation is perceived over seas or by rivals, or so it would seem, every time something like this happens or something like the tea party thing at the moment it makes the US look weak, prone to infighting, factionalism and the worst sort of self-destructive tendencies.

    I am a pretty moralistic sort of person but I really, really, really felt like "who gives a damn? whose concern is it?" when those news stories broke about Clinton, it was the same as the story about Bush and his killer pretzel, I couldnt care wether he did choke on a pretzel or was punched by a bodyguard for getting leary when drunk. That's not politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING.


    No, no, I think the right wing in the US has been trying to change the country into something resembling modern day Israel for a long time, much longer than Israel has been in existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I know the RC church's teaching on sex and its pretty consistent so I can understand why it would condemn those sorts of sex acts or, quite like Clinton, not regard them as sex but perhaps something else and something sinful. Although I could very well be simplifying things, I've found that there is usually a very simple, popular message which contrasts with more nuanced and complex theological or scholarly debates when it is these sorts of things.

    Although I dont see the RCC or any of the other churches exercising that degree of influence, I dont see pornography popularising or having that kind of keynote social influence either, I know there's an argument to be made that it is more influential than many people know or would give it credit for and has led to technological innovations even but I think that's taking things a little too far. While I'm not sure its the whole story either I think that the undercover economist's citation of research findings that years and years of sex education which pretty much aimed to prohibit intercourse but did not promote abstainence per se could have lead to up swings in sexual behaviour other than sexual intercourse is an interesting one.

    What I think is truly scandalous is that Clinton and Lewinski's affair was public knowledge at all, let alone treated as grounds for impeachment, this sort of thing was not known in the days of earlier presidents and I'm sure that those figures had plenty of scandalous dealings of one sort or another. Its something very odd about the US that the public doesnt think too much about how the nation is perceived over seas or by rivals, or so it would seem, every time something like this happens or something like the tea party thing at the moment it makes the US look weak, prone to infighting, factionalism and the worst sort of self-destructive tendencies.

    I am a pretty moralistic sort of person but I really, really, really felt like "who gives a damn? whose concern is it?" when those news stories broke about Clinton, it was the same as the story about Bush and his killer pretzel, I couldnt care wether he did choke on a pretzel or was punched by a bodyguard for getting leary when drunk. That's not politics.
    On the other hand, you're showing a lack of understanding of the US. The way to judge the US is not by European standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post


    No, no, I think the right wing in the US has been trying to change the country into something resembling modern day Israel for a long time, much longer than Israel has been in existence.
    Whatever that means.

    The Israelis have superior airport security. Only one screener, no magic devices to screen passengers only the ability to read people. The US with all its screeners and technology failed to catch a child sneaking onto a plane without a boarding pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    That's not the topic. The topic is impeachment of presidents such as Clinton or possibly Obama. Bill Clinton was a mixed bag of politics - because he was constantly consulting opinion polls. He had (has) no political soul of his own, his soul consists of whatever the latest opinion poll says.
    No, I dont agree with that at all, Clinton was no more a soulless populist than any other politician and less of one than some cynical criticism suggests.

    I think he was a good spokeperson for what was refered to as the "third way" and definitely a better one than Tony Blair, who really wasnt a thinker of any description and was much, much more of a performance artist than Clinton, Blair's own journey to working in a US university has much more to do with his own personal concerns about the possibility of international or british law seeking to prosecute him at a later date for the Bush Co. wars than anything else. I'm convinced of that.

    Although Clinton I think was genuinely seeking some kind of "third way" politics, appealing to unconventional constituencies for a political party not aligned with fiscal conservatism or free markets, seeking to build a new consensus by cutting the deficit in a way not seen to be a traditional concern of a party not wedded to small government, low tax and low spend policies, sticking to the spending plans of conservatives and seeking to assail the short termism and factionalism of office in democracies (which is a big, big issue if you compare the competitiveness of regimes able to or willing to maintain continuity and consistency in public policy beyond western democratic term limits and election periods through dictatorship or centralism).

    I dont agree with it, in short because the conservatives globally have demonstrated they will honour no attempt to build consensus, but I do think that the third way was a real thing, I do think there were careerists, performance artists like Blair interested in personal prestige or fortunes in the worst of all political perfidy and mendacity but that is nothing new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    On the other hand, you're showing a lack of understanding of the US. The way to judge the US is not by European standards.
    Well, that's the standard response of a US right winger when they've run out of anything useful to say or dont understand what's being said to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No, I dont agree with that at all, Clinton was no more a soulless populist than any other politician and less of one than some cynical criticism suggests.
    TRANSLATION:

    All politicians are soulless populists;
    Clinton was a politican,
    Therefore: Clinton was a soulless populists just like the rest of them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I think he was a good spokeperson for what was refered to as the "third way" and definitely a better one than Tony Blair, who really wasnt a thinker of any description and was much, much more of a performance artist than Clinton, Blair's own journey to working in a US university has much more to do with his own personal concerns about the possibility of international or british law seeking to prosecute him at a later date for the Bush Co. wars than anything else. I'm convinced of that.

    Although Clinton I think was genuinely seeking some kind of "third way" politics, appealing to unconventional constituencies for a political party not aligned with fiscal conservatism or free markets, seeking to build a new consensus by cutting the deficit in a way not seen to be a traditional concern of a party not wedded to small government, low tax and low spend policies, sticking to the spending plans of conservatives and seeking to assail the short termism and factionalism of office in democracies (which is a big, big issue if you compare the competitiveness of regimes able to or willing to maintain continuity and consistency in public policy beyond western democratic term limits and election periods through dictatorship or centralism).

    I dont agree with it, in short because the conservatives globally have demonstrated they will honour no attempt to build consensus, but I do think that the third way was a real thing, I do think there were careerists, performance artists like Blair interested in personal prestige or fortunes in the worst of all political perfidy and mendacity but that is nothing new.
    • Secretary of Commerce under Bill Clinton - Mickey Kanto, member of the Board of Directors of Monsanto.
    • Deputy Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency under Bill Clinton - Linda Fisher, Vice President of Government and International Affairs for Monsanto.
    • Former counsel for Monsanto - Hillary Clinton.


    Looks like the same old corporate cronyism to me.
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