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    Default I now want to be Swiss

    I'll be honest I've always envied them their Cantonal political structure of decentralised democracy but it seems the place is just a God damned dream for haters of plutocratic capitalism.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9930O620131004

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    But what about the everyday life as a swiss person?
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    Lol.

    My criticism of these types of schemes has always been that instead of actually fixing capitalism you're just pillaging the pillagers.

    But, this? This just takes the cake.

    The freedoms of Switzerland allowed them to become the world's piggy bank for dictators and unscrupulous captains of industry and now the people are rising up to get their own piece of the action off the suffering of millions. Included in the scheme will each citizen get an ounce of nazi gold?
    Take the weakest thing in you
    And then beat the bastards with it
    And always hold on when you get love
    So you can let go when you give it

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    Guaranteed income schemes are popular across the political spectrum, Charles Murray supports a version of it and Samuel Brittan who was an arch-Thatcherite economic and social policy planner, the left wing commentators which support versions of the idea and whom I endorse have conceded that by itself, without changes, mainly cultural, in consumerism away from maximal to optimal consumption it wouldnt be sufficient to enable or facilitate the changes they would like to see.

    Its a far cry from pillaging the pillagers and straight forward redistributive taxation even, business has already begun to relieve itself of any obligation to provide employment, its something which state/public services are eager to follow too, any future health service will be slimmer too as personal responsibility and tracking subvert expertise and professionals and a lot of formal social services are stand ins for the sorts of informal systems which a population in receipt of guaranteed income could provide. It just makes a lot of sense.

    Its something which I dont see as either a fix for capitalism or anything to do with most of the alternative or anti-capitalist schemes or ideas, its something else, post-capitalist and an alternative to what Hilaire Belloc has properly described as the servile state and what he considered as the mutant social-economic system produced by the meeting of modern capitalism and socialist protest. The sort of society which emerges could be socialist it could be capitalist, it does enshrine a right to life and a living, beyond that people can be as capitalist or socialist as they like, set up a co-op, set up a public limited company, set up a fifdom if you can get enough other people to go along with it. I'm a socialist but capitalism between conscenting adults isnt as big a problem for me as the status quo, it'd be a positive step beyond the status quo even.

    The Swiss cantonal system is closer to a real democracy than anything else and the controls they've placed upon top earners are very sure and certainly very good indicators that they do not want anything like the UK or US or Australia which have pretty much handed privilege and power to an elite straight out of some trashy Ayn Rand dream/nightmare.

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