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    Default What is so bad about Obamacare?

    Since it's just resulted in the US Government shutting down.

    Why is it so bad?
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    I wouldn't really care to use that language, as I try to stay as neutral as possible on these things, but here are some qualms I have with it:

    Considering healthcare accounts for ~16% of the US economy, and enacting such a massive piece of legislation, on such a large part of the US economy, creates so much regulatory and tax uncertainty, for essentially all employers, it does not foster a good environment for hiring, or making sound business decisions, at all. It likely caused a prolonged and slower recovery than was necessary, by raising the expected marginal cost of hiring a new employee. It also likely has contributed to an increase in underemployment greater than otherwise would have happened.

    Considering the state of the US' finances, adding another expensive entitlement program is likely not exactly what we need. Figuring out how to reform our already broken, unsustainable entitlement programs (and, I mind you, Democratic politicians recognize that this is the case as well) would likely be more in line with what we do actually need.

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    I am pretty ignorant on the details of it...

    Does Obamacare in any way address all the administrative overhead costs of providing healthcare? Seems like there are more and more hoops to jump through, more people to go through, insurance, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Since it's just resulted in the US Government shutting down.

    Why is it so bad?
    The implication is that the government is shut down because it's bad.

    It might be bad, but I think the real problem is that people who are completely ignorant of the details of the bill think it sounds socialist and they have some kind of strong negative emotional response to it. Because of that, their representatives want to do something that looks like they are making a stand, even if it isn't actually effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Since it's just resulted in the US Government shutting down.

    Why is it so bad?
    Huh? Anyone want to explain what "shut down" means, for a non-USer?

    I assume it isn't as dramatic as it sounds, since I've heard nothing about it.


    edit: nevermind, I see the other thread now.
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    What's wrong with socialism anyways?
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    The health care situation in the U.S. lags that in many other developed nations, and has been getting worse, not better. Politicians have been talking about it for years, but accomplishing nothing other than disinformation and some pandering to industry. "Obamacare" is an imperfect and incremental solution at best, but it takes concrete steps to address the problems, including lack of access, inconsistent coverage, and increasing costs. We should let it run for awhile and see how it does. That will give us a much better idea of what works and what doesn't. Otherwise, all we have is speculation, no data. And along the way, more people will get more access to more medical services than previously.
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    ObamaCare is not a win for the people. That's the problem. And I believe it aims to force many people to have to get health insurance, among other things.

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    I did a quick google on Obamacare, and my god, what a pile of conflicting (and highly biased) information. No way I could get the straight goods without many hours of digging (which, since I'm Canadian, I can't be bothered to do). My impression is the anti-Obamacare side is either employing FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) or just plain anti-socialist in general (in which case they should be anti-medicare too). Overall Obamacare seems to be a slight improvement over medicare, but I can't really tell.*

    I'd say pass it, then refine it to make it better (assuming it is flawed). After all, Obama won the election, and you all knew Obamacare was one of his main platforms.

    *PS> Can anybody tell me whose side the high paid corporate lobbiests for the healthcare and healthcare insurance industry are on? If they are anti, one can be certain it's bad for business and good for the people and. If they are pro, it's good for business and unclear for the people (i.e. it may make corporations more money if it costs taxpayers more, but it may result in better overall healthcare, so the extra cost may be justified).

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