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    Quote Originally Posted by Typh0n View Post
    What is meant by the "not everyone must prove they are a citizen" part? Is that a reference to illegal immigrants?
    Maybe this explains it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
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    I see. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    I'm going to use a popular lefty argument. No other industrialized nation has the amount of lawsuits that the US has. So, if European countries have a higher life expectancy without all these frivolous lawsuits, shouldn't we follow their lead?
    I don't think a lot of the lawsuits are frivolous: eighth leading cause of death. Imagine how many people are only hurt or maimed. Imagine if only all the wrongful deaths sued. I hardly think it's frivolous to sue someone who carelessly killed your child or spouse.

    In Europe if your are hurt odds are pretty good you're not going to need hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for your treatment. You also can generally expect to have a reasonable safety net if you are disabled or maimed or lose a partner. That is not the case here. People with insurance go bankrupt pretty regularly here due to medical problems. And you're unlikely to draw more than $1000 a month if you are no longer able to work due to a medical error.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Do you mind that thousands of pregnant immigrants come to the US each year to have babies in American hospitals at a cost of $10,000/delivery? I do mind, since I think they are exploiting our laws and American tax payers.
    The costs of giving birth in America are hugely inflated compared to other developed nations and our outcomes are comparatively bad. I have a problem with that. I have a problem with companies recruiting very poor people from other countries and then paying them very little and not providing medical care for them. I have a problem with our country's demand for recreation drugs and the poor way we handle it screwing up the economies and legal systems of neighboring countries. After we take care of some of that I'll consider whether or not a woman who is doing everything in her power to give her child a better life is something I want to get upset about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    If something is free, people will want it regardless of their need for the benefit.
    You really believe that? You think women think "Woo-hoo! I can get free birth control! I'm not sexually active and have no plans to be, but who cares? It's free! Maybe that's what you would do? I would not and I can't think of many people I think would.

    But for argument's sake, say that happens irl. It would take five hundred wrongly waived $20 birth control copays before it got more expensive than one $10,000+ medical event. And that medical event is only the beginning of the expense.

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    This is why government involvement typically doubles the cost of a service and this is why hospitals can charge $14 for an aspirin. If the money is there, someone will find a way to grab that money. This also explains why services, that are not covered by insurance, are usually much cheaper. Both lasik eye surgery and cosmetic surgery (facelifts, breast implants, botox) are much cheaper because they are not subsidized. If you give individuals the authority to manage their own money, you will eliminate much of the waste that we see in big government programs like Medicare.
    See, if that were true, then countries with government supported universal healthcare would pay more for medical care than we do. Or they would have worse outcomes. That's not only not the case, it is grossly not the case.
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    I can't believe I'm saying this (because I usually find her posts annoying), but I have to agree with @cafe here.

    +1, cafe. I pretty much agree with everything you posted here (in the post above).

    The only real problem I have with Obamacare, is that it missed an opportunity to really level the playing field among health insurance policy providers. If they had eliminated employer coverage and gone to everyone buying their own, individual coverage, the competition among health insurance providers would be fierce and Americans would get better choices in health insurance. For example, I'm getting way better coverage than my husband through a policy I found on healthcare.gov. And the cost is far cheaper for this better coverage than what he and his employer pay for his group policy. Basically, his group policy sucks. I wish he had the option to choose his own insurance policy and his employer just supplement his salary with the money they are spending on his current policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe
    I don't think a lot of the lawsuits are frivolous: eighth leading cause of death.
    I'm thinking of lawsuits like the silicone implant lawsuits. Roughly 19,000 such lawsuits were filed even though there was no scientific evidence that pointed to silicone being a health hazard and these products were approved by the FDA.

    Quote Originally Posted by cafe
    After we take care of some of that I'll consider whether or not a woman who is doing everything in her power to give her child a better life is something I want to get upset about.
    I don't blame these individuals for wanting to better their lives, but I do blame Democrats for making it so easy to exploit the system.

    You really believe that? You think women think "Woo-hoo! I can get free birth control! I'm not sexually active and have no plans to be, but who cares? It's free! Maybe that's what you would do? I would not and I can't think of many people I think would.
    It's not just birth control but all "free" benefits. Whether it's free mammograms or free viagra, if something is free, people will get it regardless of the need. Don't you think there are greedy people out there?

    But for argument's sake, say that happens irl. It would take five hundred wrongly waived $20 birth control copays before it got more expensive than one $10,000+ medical event. And that medical event is only the beginning of the expense.
    You're forgetting the myriad of other "free" benefits such as abortion procedures, free ER visits,free medication, free ambulance service, free dental cleanings, etc. Those add up really quick.

    See, if that were true, then countries with government supported universal healthcare would pay more for medical care than we do. Or they would have worse outcomes. That's not only not the case, it is grossly not the case.
    Do you know how Sweden is able to keep costs down? They pay medical doctors around $95,000/year. I'm pretty sure most of these countries ration care (much more than we do). Yes, we can cut costs by letting granny die and giving her pain meds instead of a hip replacement, which is what European countries do. I think there are many better alternatives to what Democrats want done to our healthcare system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    I'm thinking of lawsuits like the silicone implant lawsuits. Roughly 19,000 such lawsuits were filed even though there was no scientific evidence that pointed to silicone being a health hazard and these products were approved by the FDA.
    Filing a lawsuit does not mean you win. You have to convince a jury or a judge.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    I don't blame these individuals for wanting to better their lives, but I do blame Democrats for making it so easy to exploit the system.
    I don't see them as exploiting the system. I see them as the ones being exploited. If we're going to lure them here we have an obligation to care for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    It's not just birth control but all "free" benefits. Whether it's free mammograms or free viagra, if something is free, people will get it regardless of the need. Don't you think there are greedy people out there?
    Oh, there are greedy people out there, but I don't think stealing mammograms is big temptation. Say you could have a prostate exam for free every month. Would you do that just because you could? I have been entitled to a free mammogram for several years now through my insurance and I haven't had one yet. Viagra has street value. You could charge a co-pay for that and some people will get it when they don't need so the can sell it. In order to curtail that, you'd have to make the co-pay higher than the street value of the medication, but then the street value of the medication might go up proportionally. No, I don't think that is where most of the greed that is damaging our system is coming from.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    You're forgetting the myriad of other "free" benefits such as abortion procedures, free ER visits,free medication, free ambulance service, free dental cleanings, etc. Those add up really quick.
    Which do you think costs more an abortion or a live birth? What is the likely outcome of a pregnancy that is not aborted? Free dental cleanings help people not get expensive dental problems. Free ER visits . . . I thought that was where all our uninsured were supposed to go to get medical treatment.

    You know they limit how many of those things you can get done, right? Like, I have insurance with some free preventative care stuff, but that doesn't mean I can get five pap smears in a year. You're usually limited to two free dental cleanings a year. The reason they make them free is because preventative care prevents or postpones more expensive problems down the road. It's not because they are nice. Most people hate doing the preventative care stuff because it's unpleasant so they put it off. Making it free is a way to encourage people to reduce costs by preventing bad stuff or catching it while it's early and cheap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Do you know how Sweden is able to keep costs down? They pay medical doctors around $95,000/year. I'm pretty sure most of these countries ration care (much more than we do). Yes, we can cut costs by letting granny die and giving her pain meds instead of a hip replacement, which is what European countries do. I think there are many better alternatives to what Democrats want done to our healthcare system.
    What is wrong with $95,000/year?

    If I'm not mistaken, we do most of our medical spending in the last year of a person's life. Usually we know we can't save them and we're just trying last ditch efforts to extend someone's life a few months. In the US docs will do hip replacements on granny even though they know she will not recover or live long enough for it to be helpful because they will make bank off the procedure.

    We are rationed here. Decisions are made about our care by actuaries. People without resources are denied care or get substandard care.
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    Cafe: this entire post was outstanding - sensible and well-explained.

    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    We are rationed here. Decisions are made about our care by actuaries. People without resources are denied care or get substandard care.
    This is the part so often overlooked. Health care is rationed here -- by ability to pay, or get someone else (i.e. insurance) to pay. It seems at least as logical to ration based on ability to benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Cafe: this entire post was outstanding - sensible and well-explained.


    This is the part so often overlooked. Health care is rationed here -- by ability to pay, or get someone else (i.e. insurance) to pay. It seems at least as logical to ration based on ability to benefit.
    Thank you

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