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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I don't believe "I don't know, we'll think of something" warrants your level of confidence.
    And I don't think "Single Payer is the only answer" warrants yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    And I don't think "Single Payer is the only answer" warrants yours.
    The incredible difference in the clarity of our plan or the amount of information we're working with is the key point.

    Like, if I said evolution was the only plausible explanation for the development on animals, there'd be nothing out of place about my confidence. And if you disagreed, and said you were sure there was something else, but had no ideas what exactly it would be but we're waiting for the answer just the same, it would seem ridiculous.
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    I guess we'll get to see which way the wind is blowing Nov. 2014.

    See you then sweetheart.

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    I was listening to a radio show this morning and the host described a disturbing trend in Greece. According to a WHO report, some Greeks are infecting themselves with HIV so that they'd get 700 euros/month and faster admission into drug substitution programs.

    An authoritative report described accounts of deliberate self-infection by a few individuals to obtain access to benefits of €700 per month and faster admission onto drug substitution programmes.22 These programmes offer access to synthetic opioids and can have waiting lists of 3 years or more in urban areas.
    Reference: Health effects of financial crisis: omens of a Greek tragedy

    What does this have to do with Obamacare? Under Obamacare, insurance companies are required to accept people with pre-existing conditions, even if that individual deliberately infects himself with HIV. This particular provision is touted as having widespread support among the American public, but I think it's a terrible idea. First off, it's no longer insurance if you force a company to pay for the healthcare of someone engaging in self-destructive behavior (It's charity.) and everyone's premiums will go up to cover these individuals.

    I think a fairer approach would be for the federal/state/local governments to pick up the tab.
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    CNN/ORC poll: Democrats lose 2014 edge following Obamacare uproar


    Washington (CNN) – What a difference a month makes.

    A new CNN/ORC International poll indicates a dramatic turnaround in the battle for control of Congress in next year's midterm elections.

    Democrats a month ago held a 50%-42% advantage among registered voters in a generic ballot, which asked respondents to choose between a Democrat or Republican in their congressional district without identifying the candidates.

    That result came after congressional Republicans appeared to overplay their hand in the bitter fight over the federal government shutdown and the debt ceiling.

    But the Democratic lead has disappeared. A new CNN/ORC poll indicates the GOP now holds a 49%-47% edge.

    The new survey was conducted last week and released Tuesday.

    The 10-point swing follows a political uproar over Obamacare, which included the botched rollout of HealthCare.gov and controversy over insurance policy cancelations due primarily to the new health law.

    The turnaround in the CNN/ORC poll follows similar shifts in recent national surveys from Quinnipiac University and Fox News.

    At a news conference two weeks ago, President Barack Obama acknowledged that problems plaguing the startup of the new healthcare law could hurt Democrats.

    "There is no doubt that our failure to rollout the ACA smoothly has put a burden on Democrats, whether they are running or not because they stood up and supported this effort through thick and thin," Obama said.

    The CNN/ORC poll, released as the President makes a West Coast campaign fundraising swing on behalf of fellow Democrats, indicates both parties making gains within their base.

    "It looks like the biggest shifts toward the Republicans came among white voters, higher-income Americans, and people who live in rural areas, while Democrats have gained strength in the past month among some of their natural constituencies, such as non-white voters and lower-income Americans," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

    "If those patterns persist into 2014, it may indicate that Obamacare is popular among those who it was designed to help the most, but unpopular among the larger group of voters who are personally less concerned about health insurance and health care," Holland said.

    Republicans currently have a 17-seat advantage in the U.S. House with the Democrats holding a 55-45 majority in the Senate.

    While the generic ballot question is one of the most commonly used indicators when it comes to the battle for Congress, the poll results are a long way from predicting what will happen next November.

    "There is just under a year to go before any votes are actually cast and the 'generic ballot' question is not necessarily a good predictor of the actual outcome of 435 separate elections," Holland cautions.

    "A year before the 2010 midterms, for example, the Democrats held a six-point lead on the generic ballot but the GOP wound up regaining control of the House in that election cycle, thanks to an historic 63-seat pickup," he said.

    The poll was conducted November 18-20 for CNN by ORC International, with 843 adult Americans, including 749 registered voters, questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

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    The results will hinge on whether or not Americans keep rehearsing their anger at the ACA roll-out, or actually ask themselves what the Republicans are going to do instead. If 2012 had been a referendum on Obama, Obama would have lost. Instead, the American people would have had to replace him with Mitt Romney, so, we still have Obama.

    Same concept.
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    We have a deep bench going into '14 and '16.

    A deeper bench than we've had in a long, long time.

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    Here's a political insiders poll regarding GOP candidates for 2016 from National Journal:

    Poll: Who Are the Top 5 Contenders for the 2016 GOP Nomination?

    Who are the top five contenders for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016?

    DEMOCRATS (85 VOTES)

    Rank, Candidate, Index Score*
    1. Chris Christie, 75
    2. Rand Paul, 45
    3. Ted Cruz, 38
    4. Marco Rubio, 38
    5. Paul Ryan, 33
    6. Scott Walker, 23
    7. John Kasich, 19
    8. Rick Santorum, 9
    9. Bobby Jindal, 8
    10. Mike Pence, 3

    *Methodology: In tallying the rankings, a first-place vote was worth 5 points, a second-place vote was worth 4 points, and so on. The Insiders index reflects the percentage of points that each contender received out of the maximum possible. For example, Republican participants gave Gov. Chris Christie an index rating of 82, meaning he received 82 percent of the possible 445 points, the number he would have if all 89 Republican participants in the poll this week had ranked him first. Insiders were asked to rank the 10 candidates listed.

    Chris Christie

    "Chris Christie is going to be the flavor of the month/year after his big reelection victory and will be tough to dismantle for a while."

    "With his big win this week, Christie showed the Republicans how they can win. Whether they will learn from this is another question."

    "Will the desire to win trump the desire to punch America in the face? Only the GOP primary voters know."

    "The media loves Chris Christie, which is a good predictor that GOP primary voters will hate him."

    Rand Paul

    "The GOP simply can't resist its right wing."

    Paul Ryan

    "Surprise pick of Paul Ryan because it really helps to have national-campaign vetting and experience."

    Other

    "Jeb Bush will see 2016 as the open race he needs to make a run."


    Who are the top five contenders for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016?

    REPUBLICANS (89 VOTES)

    Rank, Candidate, Index Score*
    1. Chris Christie, 82
    2. Marco Rubio, 44
    3. Rand Paul, 40
    4. Scott Walker, 35
    5. Paul Ryan, 32
    6. Ted Cruz, 18
    7. John Kasich, 13
    8. Bobby Jindal, 9
    9. Mike Pence, 8
    10. Rick Santorum, 4

    *Methodology: In tallying the rankings, a first-place vote was worth 5 points, a second-place vote was worth 4 points, and so on. The Insiders index reflects the percentage of points that each contender received out of the maximum possible. For example, Republican participants gave Gov. Chris Christie an index rating of 82, meaning he received 82 percent of the possible 445 points, the number he would have if all 89 Republican participants in the poll this week had ranked him first. Insiders were asked to rank the 10 candidates listed.

    Chris Christie

    "Christie has purity-wing detractors but enough crossover appeal to start in leading position."

    "Christie showed that Republicans can win over Democrats, minorities, and women. Now he should take on Obamacare to help cement his Republican credentials."

    "Nobody from D.C. need apply! Christie starts as a heavy favorite (no pun intended), but that is a dangerous spot for the long run."

    "If Cruz gets traction on right, moderates may have to coalesce quickly behind somebody, probably Christie."

    Scott Walker

    "The tortoise will win this prize."

    Ted Cruz

    "Washington may hate Cruz, but that will make much of the party love him all the more."

    Other

    "Jeb is the front-runner if he gets in. Conservative governing record, able to attract new faces to a party that's way too white, and the best fundraising network in the party."

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    Christie may have a shot even if everything with the AHA is sorted out. I can see him having a harder time with the primaries, actually.

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