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    Default Technological innovation has outstriped social development

    I was watching a TV show about the so called "internet of things", which is connectivity of things such as TV, laptop, console, radio, mobile phone and then by extention thermostat, kitchen utensils, furniture etc. as opposed to people and communications. It posited that this is a sort of tipping point in human affairs, unavoidably, irrevocably this connectivity is developing apace.

    It has expanded vastly the surveillence peole can expect, also the "attack base" for cyber criminals and terrorists, the examples they used were of hacking of internet connected pace makers, insulin pumps etc. (the guy who broke the stories and showed how died himself mysteriously), it could also have a major implication for the relationship of citizens and their states or rather elite factions operating within their states such as their "intelligence communities".

    The show posited the question of how prepared or informed and aware the public were about these developments, the politics of privacy etc.

    It made me think, pretty much mankind has surpassed anything imagined in science fiction stories in terms of technics but its never made the same or much progress in surpassing anything imagined in the hopeful or rosy utopias, what about that? Surely the point has been reached were the maturational crisis of individuals or society, when individuals fail to develop a conscience despite developing their intelligence and technological savvy, it poses a problem?

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    Are you aware that whole new cities are built today around these concepts, where everything (or almost) is monitored by electronic surveillance, in the streets as well as your homes?

    Check for instance Songdo, in South Korea. It's like a "super-gated community", and to get access to its facilities -schools, homes, golf club-, you need an electronic chip that will confirm your real ID. But this chip can also monitor your health (Ubiquitous Healthcare program), track your position, and so on....

    This isn't Science-fiction anymore, it's the real world. It is our close future, and I'm not sure we can resist this orwellian trend, especially since the corporations selling and developping these technologies pretend they are doing it to improve our quality of life, our environment, our health, to protect vulnerable or fragile people and to build efficient societies with optimal energetic consumption and minimal waste.

    Who could resist?
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    Yeah there's always growing pains involved in these sort of shifts. Technological development will lead to loss of jobs, abnormal social behavior and lowered birth rates of intellient demographics. It's all very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    It made me think, pretty much mankind has surpassed anything imagined in science fiction stories in terms of technics but its never made the same or much progress in surpassing anything imagined in the hopeful or rosy utopias, what about that? Surely the point has been reached were the maturational crisis of individuals or society, when individuals fail to develop a conscience despite developing their intelligence and technological savvy, it poses a problem?
    I would argue that the average person has NOT developed any more intelligence or technological savvy, and that that is part of why the minority who has can get away with these things. That and the usual observation that people are sheep, preferring the security of tyranny over the risk and responsibility of liberty. Horrors: you might actually have to expend some effort learning about the options, make your own judgment, and address the consequences.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I would argue that the average person has NOT developed any more intelligence or technological savvy, and that that is part of why the minority who has can get away with these things. That and the usual observation that people are sheep, preferring the security of tyranny over the risk and responsibility of liberty. Horrors: you might actually have to expend some effort learning about the options, make your own judgment, and address the consequences.
    Hmm, that's one view but I would suggest that the techno saavy and the rest of the population are for the most part emotional retards and stunted individuals, its why the power which comes with being techno saavy is a problem.

    Its like Hitler, Hitler wasnt a demigod, he wasnt half the things people say he was, he was just an ordinary man with extraordinary power and that's the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Hmm, that's one view but I would suggest that the techno saavy and the rest of the population are for the most part emotional retards and stunted individuals, its why the power which comes with being techno saavy is a problem.

    Its like Hitler, Hitler wasnt a demigod, he wasnt half the things people say he was, he was just an ordinary man with extraordinary power and that's the problem.
    It seems you are saying everyone is an emotional retard. I disagree. Most of the population puts too much stock in emotion, and does not bother to seek rational bases for their choices. It is this mentality that makes them so susceptible to propaganda (they lack a good BS detector), and allows people like Hitler to get traction.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    It seems you are saying everyone is an emotional retard. I disagree. Most of the population puts too much stock in emotion, and does not bother to seek rational bases for their choices. It is this mentality that makes them so susceptible to propaganda (they lack a good BS detector), and allows people like Hitler to get traction.
    I do think everyone is an emotional retard, stunted, in the true sense of the word, compared to what they could be. I'm talking in terms of emotional intelligence, which combines reason with the relief of repression of feelings to create more adaptable and ajusted personalities.

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