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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Saying misandry can't exist is kind of like saying black people can't hate Asians or, if they do, it doesn't "count" as racism. It's a fashionable enough opinion in certain circles, but I can't find any logical coherence to it.
    Because you are blind to your own privilege...

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    How do you know that I'm blind to my own privlege? How do you know that you aren't?

    Not once did I make the argument that it was equivalent (I don't see why it would matter if it was or wasn't), and it's the wrong comparison anyway. Change Nazis to Germans and things change a little. Some of the complexity I'm talking about starts coming into play.

    If women = Jews, then men != Nazis. The equivalent comparison would be something more like Christian fundamentalists who long for the days of when "disciplning" your wife was ok. Or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Think about it.
    I just came across this and think I did. And I think I see what you mean, after all if someone is accusing a man of not being manly enough, aren't they then denigrating that man using women as a counter point to what ISN'T manly because of gender culture assumptions that hold women to be an inferior gender and all the characteristics that go with that bias?

    Even though as individuals human beings cover a wide spectrum, so much so that most of the characteristics associated with men or women can usually be associated with men AND women collectively, it's just that there is a deep ingraining foisted onto people from the earliest ages and with that you get exaggerated stereotypes that rarely represent anything other than a superficial shell of humanity.

    Which is obviously perpetuated because of the benefit or rather privilege to....well men.

    It's feels weird to say this, not because I have a problem with exposing and looking at a privilege that I probably do take advantage of without realising it, more so because I think even with that awareness I probably have some misogynistic traits, but then again a picked scab is usually better than an unpicked one, however would you see how to cure it otherwise?
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    ...and, the thread is not in vain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    I just came across this and think I did. And I think I see what you mean, after all if someone is accusing a man of not being manly enough, aren't they then denigrating that man using women as a counter point to what ISN'T manly because of gender culture assumptions that hold women to be an inferior gender and all the characteristics that go with that bias?
    A good example of this is Lark's earlier contributions in the thread.

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    Bunch of weak ass whiney "men" in this thread.
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    Women are awesome. I love them.
    Clearly, putting the word men in quotations is intended to emphasize that men are above whining and by implication, above feeling; which obviously isn't true. One could surmise that he is implying that women are not held to such standards because they are inferior, which would constitute a misogynistic perspective. As if being a "man" is something to be achieved or personified rather than a state which is merely determined by anatomy. On the other hand, he is praising women; which seems contradictory. Are his comments from a misogynist or misandrist point of view...or both? His intention was to belittle the men who posted in this thread, not women. In fact, he appears to be trying to win the favor of women.

    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Even though as individuals human beings cover a wide spectrum, so much so that most of the characteristics associated with men or women can usually be associated with men AND women collectively, it's just that there is a deep ingraining foisted onto people from the earliest ages and with that you get exaggerated stereotypes that rarely represent anything other than a superficial shell of humanity.
    I agree with this. It is ignorance indoctrinated from birth.

    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Which is obviously perpetuated because of the benefit or rather privilege to....well men.
    I would argue that it's only a questionable benefit to those who adhere to such strict criteria. Men being taught to deny their emotional selves in order to fit into a tiny box are not being granted a privilege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    You're missing the point though. (Wow. I say that to you a lot.)
    The oppression of women is historical fact. You can't just borrow Greek terms to invent a word which is the supposed equivalent for men and pretend it has anything like the same cultural significance. Well, you can. But you're likely to be laughed at.
    Your Urban Dictionary definition of misandry is non-standard. The 5 online dictionaries I looked at define misandry as hatred, dislike, mistrust, or prejudice toward men and boys. The attitude of misandry has not resulted in oppression of men as misogyny has resulted in oppression of women, but it has resulted in other behaviors that limit, judge, or ridicule men for things that women are not limited, judged, or ridiculed about. Discouraging a son from becoming a nurse would fall into this category, as would an employer denying men paternity leave while allowing women maternity leave. These attitudes and actions are just as much historical fact as is the oppression of women, and are often two sides of the same coin. The man who wants time off to care for a new baby is denied, because after all, that's the woman's role.
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    I believe that men should be relegated to subservient positions in society where they may be mocked, scorned, and reviled as Nature intended, and where women may be escorted through golden white cities that offer the exclusive comfort of silver bidets that wash away the cares of the world with fountains of jewel-encrusted jewels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    I believe that men should be relegated to subservient positions in society where they may be mocked, scorned, and reviled as Nature intended, and where women may be escorted through golden white cities that offer the exclusive comfort of silver bidets that wash away the cares of the world with fountains of jewel-encrusted jewels.
    I'm so fucking tired right now I thought you wrote "relieve as nature intended". As in men should pee standing up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    I'm so fucking tired right now I thought you wrote "relieve as nature intended". As in men should pee standing up.
    Ha! I actually did teach my son to pee sitting down since he was peeing EVERYWHERE when standing. Like the horrible emasculating feminist that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Ha! I actually did teach my son to pee sitting down since he was peeing EVERYWHERE when standing. Like the horrible emasculating feminist that I am.
    I pee sitting down mostly, but sometimes it goes through the seat and soaks my jimmies when I don't pay attention. Super annoying.

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