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    Are Freedom Fries now French again?

    And have the Brits become crumpet-munching surrender ostriches?

    But in nay case: why the hell is the US getting involved in a civil war in order to aid islamist rebels against a secular government.

    How do you think the women, Christians, Alawites and other minorities (including Shia muslims) will fare if the regime is overthrown in this way?

    The "war on terror" became a war against secular nationalism?

    Would they prefer an extremist, divided set of sectarian Monarchies and Theocracies who they can do easy business with?

    60% of the American people oppose this, I hope the lawmakers have the courage to stand up to the pro-war lobby, this "intervention" would be an atrocity.

    If they care so much, spend that money to send food and clothing to the refugee camps. Barack "Nobel" Obama could even volunteer himself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    Would they prefer an extremist, divided set of sectarian Monarchies and Theocracies who they can do easy business with?
    Apparently so. Business is business I guess but why not do business with the government, why with the rebels who have al-q backings? The question is directed 'as' a person who isn't opposing the war though I do. (Not certain the government is secular.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    Apparently so. Business is business I guess but why not do business with the government, why with the rebels who have al-q backings?
    Because the Assad government owes Russia, China and Iran. And has a certain power base allowing it to partly follow its own interests.

    They would rather have a divided and weak set of warring factions, maybe with some nominal, spineless president who is only there because of them and has no power base of their own.

    Think Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iraq.

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    Ironically, Fox News represents very well the view around the world of Us intervention, while the Democrat Obama represents the "cowboy arrogance":



    Minte 3:40, Sean Hannity and Michelle Makin:

    "You've got two radical groups killing each other"

    "Will we be better off after this intervention, will we be safer, will the people of Syria be better off?"

    "We are coming up on the 12th anniversary of Sept 11th and the 1 year anniversary of Benghazi, and this intervention in Syria will be aiding and abetting the same Al sharia terrorists who sponsored that violence".

    "The same principled anti-war leftists who supported Obama should be leading the backlash against this"

    A shame they forget that Ronald Reagan was the leader in the trend of supporting Islamism and that this led directly to September 11th after the Taliban victory in Afghanistan with his support.

    In any case though, you have to be saddened by the irony of history that power corrupts so badly, that now Fox News, even if purely opportunistically, now talk more sense than Barack Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    I don't think world powers who get involved in wars (overseas) make losses as the end result. They probably do their calculations before getting involved. Even the iraq war though sounds like a loss of capital and lives in anti-bush propoganda, it is probably profitable considering the vast natural recources the country has, which now is under the usa's 'supervision' and the huge investment opportunities in the country. If the usa left iraq after sadam was ousted and the weapons of mass destructions were destroyed then that argument couldn't be made. But usa didn't leave 'because they want to stabilize the country' and would probably never leavd atleast for another 10 years. So if the usa doesn't take over syria, it would be a unique scenario. If not invade, atleast control they would try to do through a new government which is favourable to the usa.
    I believe that the U.S. fights wars most of the time for financial reasons to tell the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolita View Post
    I wish we didn't take it upon ourselves to punish governments who break international laws. If everyone in the world is so in agreement about the violation committed, why aren't more countries supporting us? I say we should have cooled our jets and waited for more data analysis and a more multinational agreement on what to do.

    America: World Police
    We are, in fact, enforcing a global policy. Chemical weapons are against the Geneva convention, and if using them doesn't warrant punishment then what does that say to anyone who would use them again in the future?

    "When a crime is not punished quickly, people feel it is safe to do wrong." (Ecclesiastes 8:11)

    Doesn't matter which country is printed on the side of the cruise missile as long as something is done to deter future war crimes. Somebody's gotta eat the last piece of pie but nobody wants to be rude. It's our place in the world... it's only a matter of accepting the stigma that comes with it.

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    I'm glad our leaders, like Sen McCain, aren't letting this whole war thing distract them from their iPhone games.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LevelZeroHero View Post
    We are, in fact, enforcing a global policy. Chemical weapons are against the Geneva convention, and if using them doesn't warrant punishment then what does that say to anyone who would use them again in the future?

    "When a crime is not punished quickly, people feel it is safe to do wrong." (Ecclesiastes 8:11)

    Doesn't matter which country is printed on the side of the cruise missile as long as something is done to deter future war crimes. Somebody's gotta eat the last piece of pie but nobody wants to be rude. It's our place in the world... it's only a matter of accepting the stigma that comes with it.
    The Treaty of Westphalia of 1648 gave us peace between nation states.

    And until recently aggressive war by a nation state was a war crime.

    However we are now operating under the Responsibility to Protect (RTP) and a nation state can now wage aggressive war for humanitarian reasons.

    The danger is that such a war may get out of hand and end in a general conflagration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I'm glad our leaders, like Sen McCain, aren't letting this whole war thing distract them from their iPhone games.



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...c-c0b0d9d4fe0a
    Oh cool, what's he playing?

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