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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    I'm sorry, but there is not even space to discuss "gay" parenting here. Because it has been proved, by many many psychological studies, that "gay" parenting is not detrimental to children's education, it is just the same as "heterosexual" parenting (these definitions make me want to puke, because they totally ignore bisexuality, but ok). So this is fact. Not something up for discussion or opinion.
    um, last I checked, all that's really been factually proved to this point is that the data set is currently too small to be of much use to anyone.....also, the very nature of the social sciences make any conclusions outside of statistical correlation (and lack thereof) open to debate. FWIW, I expect the generally self-selecting nature of gay parenthood to eventually demonstrate a slightly higher correlation with positive outcomes on most of the obvious and non-subjective well-being criteria (and a hell of a lot better results than with kids in foster homes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    um, last I checked, all that's really been factually proved to this point is that the data set is currently too small to be of much use to anyone.....
    not true, you should get updated, your information is a couple of years old

    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I expect the generally self-selecting nature of gay parenthood to eventually demonstrate a slightly higher correlation with positive outcomes on most of the obvious and non-subjective well-being criteria.
    this is true. technically.

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    just saw this and look how cute they are? why is their marriage any different?

    aww...



    okay...i'll stop haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    not true, you should get updated, your information is a couple of days old
    I'll check again when I can find the time....my memory could be faulty, but I thought I remembered a particularly well-respected researcher saying as much a few months ago while debunking a 'study' that made headlines by claiming negative correlations to positive outcomes (without accounting for other variables, obvious or otherwise).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    I have a question tho.

    What percentage of married couples do you think are married for religious reasons?

    I honestly can't say that I know anyone who is...The only married religious people I know are for gay marriage.

    So... If the percentage is actually low in comparison it would seem that a religious marriage ought to be called something else.

    That is if a distinguishing term is needed by them.
    My husband and I married for religious reasons. We are Evangelical and, though I don't think either of us feel as strongly about it as we did at the time, sex outside of marriage is against our religion. Also, we were Bible college students and sex outside of marriage was against the rules. The dorms were closing for the summer and we didn't have the money to go home if we wanted to get married (and we did) so we got married the day after finals in the spring and moved into our trailer in the campus trailer park.

    However, I have since come to the conclusion that waiting until marriage is not the norm, even for most pro-abstinence religious folks, so whatever that means.

    Anyway, I don't have any problem with gay marriage. I am not sure if my husband feels the same way about it and for the purpose of marital harmony, I don't put him on the spot about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post


    just saw this and look how cute they are? why is their marriage any different?

    aww...



    okay...i'll stop haha
    what are they, ENFP-ENFP? kinda crazy mm? i was thinking that when they got to the part of moving a lot ( i do that too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    what are they, ENFP-ENFP? kinda crazy mm? i was thinking that when they got to the part of moving a lot ( i do that too)
    i've seen portia typed as infp most often but it looks like two enfps but maybe public persona infp can just look that way?? idk julia roberts is supposedly an infp
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    What matters to the SSM movement is legal equivalency.

    What matters to some religious folks is maintaining some distinction between the holy right of matrimony and SS civil unions.

    Homo's don't want to live under and unequal legal regime, and the religious want to be able to maintain marriage as it has existed for the them for thousands of years.

    By making them legally equivalent, and using different names, you allow the religious to have their distinction, and the homo's to have equal rights.

    I'm assuming that you have no way of fathoming why a tradition like that would be important to the religious, while it amounts to merely a name for others.
    The problem is that the religious have unfortunately tainted the main term by establishing it as the "more legitimate" option, and equated the others to "scrap/lesser" options. They don't really get the option now of saying, "Okay, let's make them equivalent, but we still get to use the 'legitimate' word, haha." the SSM wants the rights PLUS the removal of the social stigma.

    I mean, we're in a bind now because someone had to play King of the Hill for a long time and delegitimatize relationships that weren't labeled "marriage."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    No. The word vocabulary infers that multiple terms or the language generally will be affected.

    I'm advocating recognition of the distinction between civil and religious unions, and the use of different words to reference the same.
    No, you're advocating that government define a word. What happens to people who don't adhere to the law? Do they go to prison for misusing a word the government has defined? What sort of punishments are we talking about here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    The problem is that the religious have unfortunately tainted the main term by establishing it as the "more legitimate" option, and equated the others to "scrap/lesser" options. They don't really get the option now of saying, "Okay, let's make them equivalent, but we still get to use the 'legitimate' word, haha." the SSM wants the rights PLUS the removal of the social stigma.
    I think the stigma will be removed faster (among the religious), and things would work better for the time being if the churches were allowed to come to an agreement (accept SSM) on their own terms and in their own time.

    The situation I've outlined would be a temporary transitional period. Also, there is now more of a stigma on the religious than there is on SSM.

    If WWI had ended on more even terms Germany might not have opted for round two. But the more you push, and demonize them the more the are going to fight you.

    All I really want is for both sides to shut the hell up and move on. I only really care about the process by which to make that happen with the least animosity possible.

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