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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Fixed.



    It depends on the state and your age bracket.

    Anyway, have a nice trip.
    Nice picture, and far more accurate for an ISFP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Nice picture, and far more accurate for an ISFP.
    Hilariously, it was an ISFP guy who first introduced me to that brand of Chocolate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    So you believe that people should have to pay taxes to take care of their neighbors.

    Charity is moral. Stealing is not.
    National healthcare is better, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    National healthcare is better, period.
    Better than what? Paying your own bills?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    So you believe that people should have to pay taxes to take care of their neighbors.

    Charity is moral. Stealing is not.
    Yeah. I don't consider taxes stealing. But you and I do not appear to have the same ideas about morality, which is fine. Funny thing to me is that most of my religious conservative family share your ideas about taxes when Jesus specifically said that we ought to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and at that time Caesar was doing a lot worse things than helping sick people. IMO. Different strokes.
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    I'm not sure if you have had a quick glance at this, but here's what Wiki says (emphasis mine):

    Compulsory coverage and costs

    Swiss are required to purchase basic health insurance, which covers a range of treatments detailed in the Federal Act. It is therefore the same throughout the country and avoids double standards in healthcare. Insurers are required to offer this basic insurance to everyone, regardless of age or medical condition. They are not allowed to make a profit off this basic insurance, but can on supplemental plans.[1]

    Regulations also restrict the allowable policies and profits that a private insurer may offer, as noted by healthcare economics scholar Uwe Reinhardt in a review in the Journal of the American Medical Association:

    "To compete in the market for compulsory health insurance, a Swiss health insurer must be registered with the Swiss Federal Office of Public Health, which regulates health insurance under the 1994 statute. The insurers were not allowed to earn profits from the mandated benefit package, although they have always been able to profit from the sale of actuarially priced supplementary benefits (mainly superior amenities).

    Regulations require "a 25-year-old and an 80-year-old individual pay a given insurer the same premium for the same type of policy.... Overall, then, the Swiss health system is a variant of the highly government-regulated social insurance systems of Europe... that rely on ostensibly private, nonprofit health insurers that also are subject to uniform fee schedules and myriad government regulations."[3]

    Health care spending, in US dollars PPP-adjusted, in Switzerland per capita from 1998 to 2008

    The insured person pays the insurance premium for the basic plan up to 8% of their personal income. If a premium is higher than this, the government gives the insured person a cash subsidy to pay for any additional premium.[1]

    The universal compulsory coverage provides for treatment in case of illness or accident (unless another accident insurance provides the cover) and pregnancy.

    Health insurance covers the costs of medical treatment and hospitalization of the insured. However, the insured person pays part of the cost of treatment. This is done by these ways:

    by means of an annual excess (or deductible, called the franchise), which ranges from CHF 300 to a maximum of CHF 2,500 as chosen by the insured person (premiums are adjusted accordingly);
    and by a charge of 10% of the costs over and above the excess. This is known as the retention, and is up to a maximum of 700CHF per year (excluding medication).

    In case of pregnancy, there is no charge. For hospitalisation, one pays a contribution to room and service costs.

    Insurance premiums vary from insurance company to company (Ger. Krankenkassen, Fr. caisses-maladie, It. casse malati), the excess level chosen (franchise), the place of residence of the insured person and the degree of supplementary benefit coverage chosen (dental care, private ward hospitalisation, etc.).

    In 2010, the average monthly compulsory basic health insurance premiums (with accident insurance) in Switzerland are the following:[4]

    CHF 351.05 for an adult (age 26+)
    CHF 293.85 for a young adult (age 19–25)
    CHF 84.03 for a child (age 0–18)
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    Note that premiums for pensions are also mandatory for all people of Switzerland, which take into account all the income you have (wages, savings, landed property and whatnot) and that the maximum amount of pensions you get is fixed as well as maybe 3 times more than the lowest amount. All of these are not private, but state-run insurances.
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    You might actually have to move to an undeveloped country to find someplace where they don't have some form of universal healthcare. Or that's the impression I've got of the rest of the developed world.
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    Because there is no healthcare in Switzerland. Only in America does that exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    You might actually have to move to an undeveloped country to find someplace where they don't have some form of universal healthcare.
    Bingo.

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