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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    It's difficult to get a conservative (protestant or Catholic) to even admit that contraception education will reduce the number of abortions. Even if you phrase it in the perspective of minimizing the number of abortions performed, they still won't budge. I don't think adult conservatives will ever change their views on this. But there is hope. Eventually those people will die and their children are less likely to share their views. For example, both of my parents are pro-life and believe in abstinence education, but of their eight children only two agree with them. Six of us are pro-choice and believe in comprehensive sex education. Four of us have even become atheist/agnostic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Yes, the great hope for the future is that people will stop pursuing virtue.
    We will pursue virtue by a better definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    We will pursue virtue by a better definition.
    Should you, or those who agree with you be the arbiters of what is virtuous?

    Especially when polling reflects broad based support for some restrictions on the procedure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Should you, or those who agree with you be the arbiters what is virtuous?

    Especially when polling reflects broad based support for some restrictions on the procedure.
    I'll concede that I'm not necessarily the arbiter of what is virtuous if Beorn does the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Yes, the great hope for the future is that people will stop pursuing virtue.
    Right, because if it's not "conservative" morality, then its not virtuous...

    I'll stick with what leads to better measurable results, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Right, because if it's not "conservative" morality, then its not virtuous...

    I'll stick with what leads to better measurable results, thanks.
    Uh, no. This isn't about virtue being about "conservative morals." This is about virtue being virtue and "measurable results" don't mean a damn when it comes to virtue. I don't care whether white lies on a resume will get you measurable results it still violates principles of virtue.
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    I'd rather abort than bring a child up in subpar conditions, ie i can't afford it, or am an unfit mother. yes adoption is an option and i might do that if and only if i could the one where i interview prospective mothers and give him/her away at birth. if i'm just giving it to a group home, i'd rather not.
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Uh, no. This isn't about virtue being about "conservative morals." This is about virtue being virtue and "measurable results" don't mean a damn when it comes to virtue. I don't care whether white lies on a resume will get you measurable results it still violates principles of virtue.
    My moral philosophy says there is no good other than a good result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    My moral philosophy says there is no good other than a good result.
    Awesome. Let's just kill all the bad people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Awesome. Let's just kill all the bad people.
    If only it were that simple. But we'd have to determine who's impact in the world is bad enough to call the person "bad" and thus kill them. And then we'd have to discuss the means of that killing and all the costs involved in attempting to do that, etc...

    The great thing about my philosophy is that it whittles the presumptive elements of morality down to a minimum and leaves the rest to be inferred, turning sticky moral questions over to cause-effect and cost-benefit analysis which is infinitely more practical, therefore useful, therefore good.
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