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    Hey, we are serious. Knock it off. Take it to PM if you must, but keep the bickering out of the thread.
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    in the country i live in there is a 10 week policy for abortion, after that you are being told that you are endangering your health having an abortion, also most doctors don`t do it if there is an important fasting time of the year, Christmas, Easter.. even though they`re not religious, they won t do it,(with obvious medical exceptions)
    otoh we have all sorts of Family Planning centers here that help with counseling, pill prescription, obgyn consults, and abortion if the case, there is a natality boom in the country, even if the state does n`t help so much right now. Also an abortion here is not covered by health insurance and is really costly,

    PS here they don`t advise the medically pill induced abortion and they mostly go for the other kind, the invasive kind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    Oddly, I would almost argue your and others thoughts regarding homogeneity in the US as issue-our regional divisions are quite profound and have significant impacts on our political views. Havent you seen the red/blue maps?
    In what way are they profound? I guess we can only say it like we see it. Also, did you read the article I posted about how Americans perceive the differences between themselves to be greater than they really are?
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    I don't exactly care whether I'm banned or not. Besides, nobody knows I'm from Britain save a few people anyway so my antics won't make it look bad. Three, I was telling her what I thought and not baiting. Four, I regard the way I come across to other posters as roughly the same way you come across to other posters (you're one to talk in other words) and five I thought I said I didn't want to speak to you? You keep quoting me even though I have you on ignore. You're more familar with the board rules than I am. Could you tell me whether that is technically harassment?
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    I think there are a lot of factors in the US that make us wonky with stuff like this.

    First, we've got serious issues with sex, especially the idea of women having sex.

    Second, we really like to villainize the poor. We don't think poor people should be having any kind of fun, especially sex, but rather should be living in grinding misery until they clean up their act and stop being poor.

    Third, we hate the government telling us what to do, except when it's somebody else. Because there really ougtta be a law.

    Basically, abortion restrictions only apply to poor people. People with money can just go someplace else and pay out of pocket for whatever they need and probably have access to reliable birth control anyway.

    We don't want to pay for birth control for poor people with our tax dollars. Besides where do these whores get off just spreading their legs anytime they want? They should have to face the consequences of their actions.

    We absolutely refuse to pay for abortions with our tax dollars because it's against our religion. (Except it's okay if it's our daughter who is pregnant and might embarrass us at church.)

    We don't want poor people breeding like rats. What business do they have bringing children into the world when they can barely feed themselves?

    We don't want the federal government telling us what our state can and cannot do. We will make our own rules, thank you very much. Now when are we going to get our federal subsidies?

    Essentially, it's a red herring. It gives the marginally less than destitute someone to look down upon and blame for our crappy country besides the folks at the top who outsource blue collar and middle class jobs to poor countries and do not pay the people they do employ a living wage, as well as those that profit from our screwed up healthcare system. Divide and conquer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    We don't want to pay for birth control for poor people with out tax dollars. Besides where do these whores get off just spreading their legs anytime they want? They should have to face the consequences of their actions.

    We don't want poor people breeding like rats. What business do they have bringing children into the world when they can barely feed themselves?
    These ideas are mutually contradictory. Making contraceptives and abortions cheap and available to the poor would do wonders for bringing down their birth rates. I guess the Native Americans were right about "White men speak with forked tongue". (Or is that just another stereotype?)

    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Essentially, it's a red herring. It gives the marginally less than destitute someone to look down upon and blame for our crappy country besides the folks at the top who outsource blue collar and middle class jobs to poor countries and do not pay the people the do employ a living wage, as well as those that profit from our screwed up healthcare system. Divide and conquer.
    I often use the term "divide-and-conquer economics" to describe the American myth of rugged economic individualism/each man for himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    These ideas are mutually contradictory. Making contraceptives and abortions cheap and available to the poor would do wonders for bringing down their birth rates.
    Who says conservative polticians are logical?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    These ideas are mutually contradictory. Making contraceptives and abortions cheap and available to the poor would do wonders for bringing down their birth rates. I guess the Native Americans were right about "White men speak with forked tongue". (Or is that just another stereotype?)
    It's difficult to get a conservative (protestant or Catholic) to even admit that contraception education will reduce the number of abortions. Even if you phrase it in the perspective of minimizing the number of abortions performed, they still won't budge. I don't think adult conservatives will ever change their views on this. But there is hope. Eventually those people will die and their children are less likely to share their views. For example, both of my parents are pro-life and believe in abstinence education, but of their eight children only two agree with them. Six of us are pro-choice and believe in comprehensive sex education. Four of us have even become atheist/agnostic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I think there are a lot of factors in the US that make us wonky with stuff like this.

    First, we've got serious issues with sex, especially the idea of women having sex.

    Second, we really like to villainize the poor. We don't think poor people should be having any kind of fun, especially sex, but rather should be living in grinding misery until they clean up their act and stop being poor.

    Third, we hate the government telling us what to do, except when it's somebody else. Because there really ougtta be a law.

    Basically, abortion restrictions only apply to poor people. People with money can just go someplace else and pay out of pocket for whatever they need and probably have access to reliable birth control anyway.

    We don't want to pay for birth control for poor people with our tax dollars. Besides where do these whores get off just spreading their legs anytime they want? They should have to face the consequences of their actions.

    We absolutely refuse to pay for abortions with our tax dollars because it's against our religion. (Except it's okay if it's our daughter who is pregnant and might embarrass us at church.)

    We don't want poor people breeding like rats. What business do they have bringing children into the world when they can barely feed themselves?

    We don't want the federal government telling us what our state can and cannot do. We will make our own rules, thank you very much. Now when are we going to get our federal subsidies?

    Essentially, it's a red herring. It gives the marginally less than destitute someone to look down upon and blame for our crappy country besides the folks at the top who outsource blue collar and middle class jobs to poor countries and do not pay the people they do employ a living wage, as well as those that profit from our screwed up healthcare system. Divide and conquer.
    Very insightful post, cafe.

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