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    Default Are Dolphins "Non-human Persons"?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17116882
    Dolphins should be treated as non-human "persons", with their rights to life and liberty respected, scientists meeting in Canada have been told.

    Experts in philosophy, conservation and animal behaviour want support for a Declaration of Rights for Cetaceans.

    They believe dolphins and whales are sufficiently intelligent to justify the same ethical considerations as humans.

    Recognising their rights would mean an end to whaling and their captivity, or their use in entertainment.

    "Science has shown that individuality - consciousness, self-awareness - is no longer a unique human property. That poses all kinds of challenges.”

    The move was made at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in Vancouver, Canada, the world's biggest science conference.

    It is based on years of research that has shown dolphins and whales have large, complex brains and a human-like level of self-awareness.

    This has led the experts to conclude that although non-human, dolphins and whales are "people" in a philosophical sense, which has far-reaching implications.

    Ethics expert Prof Tom White, from Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, author of In Defence of Dolphins: The New Moral Frontier, said dolphins were "non-human persons".

    "A person needs to be an individual. If individuals count, then the deliberate killing of individuals of this sort is ethically the equivalent of deliberately killing a human being.

    India has declared dolphins to be non-human persons -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
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    [INDENT]It is based on years of research that has shown dolphins and whales have large, complex brains and a human-like level of self-awareness.
    Interesting! Moreso than some of the great apes?
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    What makes a 'person'?

    I'm not really sure about the concept of deriving entertainment from captured dolphins...is it obvious they don't want to be where they are?

    If they could consent (...could they?) would they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Interesting! Moreso than some of the great apes?
    Wondering that as well. Arguments have been made for some of the psittacine family, too.

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    "Everybody paid respect to Per who due to the breeding-system was the allfather of all mankind."

    Per isnt the father of all dolphins, so dolphins arent per-sons
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    I believe all life is the same. Humans aren't special. Apes aren't special. Dolphins aren't special. I think we should try to equally respect all kinds of life (and non-life)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    I believe all life is the same. Humans aren't special. Apes aren't special. Dolphins aren't special. I think we should try to equally respect all kinds of life (and non-life)...
    I expect you'll respect the life of the next virus that gets a hold of you and not take medication?

    This is stupid.

    All humans are persons.

    All persons are humans.

    Simple.

    Animals, places, and other living things can be protected on other grounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I expect you'll respect the life of the next virus that gets a hold of you and not take medication?

    This is stupid.

    All humans are persons.

    All persons are humans.

    Simple.

    Animals, places, and other living things can be protected on other grounds.
    I'm not saying that animals and other living things are 'persons', though that in itself is IMO a bunk category. There is no way we can live without harming other things somehow, because that is how the cycle of life works, but we can respect other beings and not consider ourselves 'superior'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    I'm not saying that animals and other living things are 'persons', though that in itself is IMO a bunk category. There is no way we can live without harming other things somehow, because that is how the cycle of life works, but we can respect other beings and not consider ourselves 'superior'.
    That doesn't make any sense

    In order to live you're going to have to discriminate and in order to discriminate you necessarily must have a sense of superiority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    That doesn't make any sense

    In order to live you're going to have to discriminate and in order to discriminate you necessarily must have a sense of superiority.
    That's true in a way. I mean, it's impossible not to discriminate, but we should try to be respectful of everything as much as we can. People right now concentrate on taking, just because we can and nothing can stop us. We try to conquer the world with science, with progress. I think we forget that there is a way to live in harmony with nature. The first step towards that is to stop thinking we are better than animals and that the Earth belongs to us. It's as much their world as much as ours. We should learn to be more humble in our existence.
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