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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I could see some potential troubles in that methodology. But just assuming it's accurate, it affirms my point that Americans are increasing their work efficiency and yet are getting longer hours instead of shorter ones. It doesn't make much sense.
    I's a competitive global economy and people in the US are often compensated more than those in other countries. So they have to work more hours in order to compete as jobs move towards places where the cost of labor is lower. The corporation has fundamental characteristics where people would tend to get exploited but that would have a global impact and not be limited to the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I's a competitive global economy and people in the US are often compensated more than those in other countries. So they have to work more hours in order to compete as jobs move towards places where the cost of labor is lower. The corporation has fundamental characteristics where people would tend to get exploited but that would have a global impact and not be limited to the US.
    Local policy can affect that. The USA possibly does less than any other developed country (certainly less than most) to soften the impact of cheaper global markets on local labor. Welfare is lacking, unions are weak, tariffs non-existent, etc...
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    Something imho to ponder is that while the US indeed produces a lot of wealth there is also an extremely high level of consumption: larger houses, which are much more "spaced" and thus more time and money is spent on transport on larger cars etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I could see some potential troubles in that methodology. But just assuming it's accurate, it affirms my point that Americans are increasing their work efficiency and yet are getting longer hours instead of shorter ones. It doesn't make much sense.
    It's because of the American desire for "more, more, more" all the time. We aren't content with enough. It's a separate issue from worker efficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    It's because of the American desire for "more, more, more" all the time. We aren't content with enough. It's a separate issue from worker efficiency.
    Well, the bottom line is profit for the top. They've found a way to profit off of excess production and consumption, so every step that would logically progress to fewer work hours for Americans don't. It's just seen as a way to squeeze a little more product out of every minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Well, the bottom line is profit for the top. They've found a way to profit off of excess production and consumption, so every step that would logically progress to fewer work hours for Americans don't. It's just seen as a way to squeeze a little more product out of every minute.
    But that's not something that can be entirely blamed on the rich. The workers themselves want it. Got to "keep up with the Joneses," you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    But that's not something that can be entirely blamed on the rich. The workers themselves want it. Got to "keep up with the Joneses," you know.
    Yeah, but who are the Joneses, where do they get their shit, and why did they ever think they wanted it in the first place?

    The problem is that supply is actually capable of manipulating demand, and it's only ever gotten easier with technological advancement. It's like J. K. Galbraith speculated, that it will become increasingly more profitable for businesses to invest in convincing people they want the product then in making a product people should want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Yeah, but who are the Joneses, where do they get their shit, and why did they ever think they wanted it in the first place?

    The problem is that supply is actually capable of manipulating demand, and it's only ever gotten easier with technological advancement. It's like J. K. Galbraith speculated, that it will become increasingly more profitable for businesses to invest in convincing people they want the product then in making a product people should want.
    Marketing. People need to put more emphasis on being responsible consumers and being aware when they're being sold a bill of goods. The market is extremely effective at giving people exactly what they want. The problem is sometimes people want the wrong things. It's a problem with being in a self-centered society that cares about nothing but personal pleasure and all the "fun," and good times that can be bought for the dollar. We're the new Rome. Give us blood and we're happy. Take it away and we'll riot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Marketing. People need to put more emphasis on being responsible consumers and being aware when they're being sold a bill of goods.
    But what's the incentive to make the public aware of these things? Who stands to profit off of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    But what's the incentive to make the public aware of these things? Who stands to profit off of that?
    Businesses. But they're only meeting a desire people already had. They're a mirror back to the soul, and too often people jump into that mirror. Everything traces back to society, and government can't fix society.
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