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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    What do you mean? You respond to the suggestion that burn out is bad by associating it with socialism? What do you understand by socialism and why do you make the association?
    The key element of socialism is ensuring employment rights. It supports unions and organizes strikes. Sadly nowadays the parties who supported that idea are gone and its all only a capitalistic bunch of money-grubbing politicians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    The key element of socialism is ensuring employment rights. It supports unions and organizes strikes. Sadly nowadays the parties who supported that idea are gone and its all only a capitalistic bunch of money-grubbing politicians.
    I've read a lot of socialist books, in fact its probably the one thing next to religion which interests me in a compelling way, I've probably read more about socialism, and its critics, than anything else when I think about it, even more than religion.

    What you describe just seems like reasonableness, it doesnt sound like socialism at all, which is really problematic but not uncommon, I think that both the left and the right wing unfortunately conflate something reasonable like not exhausting your human resources or treating them like any other dispensible commodity to be used up and tossed in the trash like dead batteries.

    So far as I understand it socialism is about the centrality of class struggles to economy, politics, life and supporting certain classes in those struggles, its not always the underdog and Marx's view that producer groups are pivotal because of the factory system has taken some real knocks too (more mistakes that socialists make about themselves and social theory), its not even an end agreed upon that class struggles can be ended once and for all (there's more socialists in agreement with Aristotle than Marx these days that the best which can be hoped for is that they can be managed for certain ends).

    That's all fine, that it is a theoretical tradition that, at least at a time, sought to discover beyond the superficial, symptomatic and surface of politics and social life to the universal, underlying and underpinning reality is one of the reasons it appeals to me but its been conflated and misunderstood so much and what good material has survived is out of date and actually really dated.

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    They tell me Germans have no sense of humour but at least they are efficient. And they further tell me that Americans have no sense of humour but think they have the best sense of humour in the world.

    My mission is to give the Germans a sense of humour, and the Americans a sense of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    They tell me Germans have no sense of humour but at least they are efficient. And they further tell me that Americans have no sense of humour but think they have the best sense of humour in the world.

    My mission is to give the Germans a sense of humour, and the Americans a sense of reality.
    Americans are inefficient, are unable to see the long view of issues, and have a crude sense of humor. This does not give them a leg up on Germans in any way.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Americans are inefficient, are unable to see the long view of issues, and have a crude sense of humor. This does not give them a leg up on Germans in any way.
    Out of curiosity, where are you from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Out of curiosity, where are you from?
    Why do you ask?
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Why do you ask?
    I already told you. Out of curiosity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I already told you. Out of curiosity.
    I am originally from Canada, but have lived most of my life in the U.S.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    I believe Germany does actually have a more efficient public sector, but no, generally worker productivity is lower in Germany, unless it's changed pretty dramatically recently. The only country with higher productivity than the US is Norway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    I believe Germany does actually have a more efficient public sector, but no, generally worker productivity is lower in Germany, unless it's changed pretty dramatically recently. The only country with higher productivity than the US is Norway.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500395_162-3228735.html
    The productivity figure is found by dividing the country's gross domestic product by the number of people employed. The U.N. report is based on 2006 figures for many countries, or the most recent available.
    I could see some potential troubles in that methodology. But just assuming it's accurate, it affirms my point that Americans are increasing their work efficiency and yet are getting longer hours instead of shorter ones. It doesn't make much sense.
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