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    You sir, have a remarkable talent for enjoying civil distress. You appear to seek out stories of instituted suffering and then bathe yourself in them, splashing about in the lives of patronised women, molested children, or, now, a belabored Snowden. Your presentations appear to carry a subtext that these people may not escape their fates. They are doomed to wriggle about for the entertainment of others. Do feel free to threaten me with an institution if I am wrong.
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    Pressing for Snowden return, Attorney General Holder tells Russia US won’t seek death penalty

    “I can report that the United States is prepared to provide to the Russian government the following assurances regarding the treatment Mr. Snowden would face upon return to the United States,” Holder wrote. “First, the United States would not seek the death penalty for Mr. Snowden should he return to the United States.” In addition, “Mr. Snowden will not be tortured. Torture is unlawful in the United States.”

    I hope we're all familiar with how the Chinese government denies that bad things happen in China. It says they're unlawful.
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    I wouldn't trust Holder (or Putin) farther than I can throw him, which isn't very far. Snowden needs to get out of there, pronto.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    They don't want to kill him, they only want to lock him up for the rest of his life... Whether true or not, who would take that ridiculous offer as long as they still have a chance not to be punished at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    If we follow our conscience, and break a bad law, we are committing an act of Civil Disobedience.

    But then if we evade justice in the courts, we are following the principle of two wrongs make a right.
    A justice system that upholds "bad laws" cannot be trusted to dispense justice. Therefore, evading that court is the only way to ensure justice is done.

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    Whatever you may think of him, guilty or not guilty, the guy is indeed very courageous.
    +1. Foolhardily so.

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    I worked in adult entertainment for YEARS. I would never marry a man who made that much money who said "hey baby yeah you give other men lap dances."

    It's something you probably don't understand, but I used to think strippers with live-in boyfriends or husbands were the most pathetic people on the face of the earth.
    So she shouldn't have a boyfriend, or she should only have a bf who doesn't respect her choices?

    Well. That makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post

    So we have no alternative but to defeat the political ideology of Islam.
    Are the ideas themselves being fought, or the rhetoric? I do not think that I am opposed to combating ideas. There are some ideas that are worse than merely being incorrect, they are morally destructive. However, even with those ideas, I do not think censorship is an effective tool. Censorship makes it look like you don't have a valid counter-argument. With censorship, the people you are censoring "win," because they have aired their opinions, and alternative opinions have only been offered up at the most superficial level.

    Combating rhetoric and "language" while being blind to the underlying ideological content is useless, however. This forces the extremists (the smart ones, anyway) to find ways to appear less extreme. If the ideas appear less extreme, less people will reject them, which will mean they will become more widespread.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post

    So she shouldn't have a boyfriend, or she should only have a bf who doesn't respect her choices?

    Well. That makes sense.

    No, usually men who want serious relationships with adult entertainers are in it for themselves. I understand adult entertainment from an "insider view" and I've found that the men who really loved me most had nothing but contempt for it, and were ok with me doing it while I was on my own, but would have problems with me doing it within a relationship.

    The one man I met who was okay with me being a dancer within our relationship eventually admitted that he liked me having the money. He didn't care how I got it, and admitted that he'd once gotten sociopath on an Internet test. I found my way away from him quickly. He was kind of an "outwardly nerdy-nice" guy like Snowden, too.

    I don't respect men who are well-off financially who encourage or support their fiance (remember she was a fiance, not a gf) or wife in topless dancing.

    It's a bunch of shit. I think anyone who knew about the business who wanted to support their SO in adult entertainment would lean more toward supporting their SO to do photography or video work or even something like sensual massage or true burlesque.

    I can't imagine anyone with any human dignity or morals wanting their SO to be an exotic dancer or an escort while ENGAGED or MARRIED...unless they were so strapped for money they couldn't afford anything else, and did so out of embarrassment.

    There's a difference between being a third wave feminist (sex positive) and just being a douchebag...and I find, personally, that douchebaggery is the key flaw and unexpected consequence of feminism. Like Victoria says in Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows"..."if the sexes were equal, men would get out of control."

    Have you seen the film Ted? Edward Snowden reminds me of the guy in Ted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    A justice system that upholds "bad laws" cannot be trusted to dispense justice. Therefore, evading that court is the only way to ensure justice is done.
    This is precisely what an anarchist would say.

    No one who understands and supports liberal democracy could say such a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Are the ideas themselves being fought, or the rhetoric? I do not think that I am opposed to combating ideas. There are some ideas that are worse than merely being incorrect, they are morally destructive. However, even with those ideas, I do not think censorship is an effective tool. Censorship makes it look like you don't have a valid counter-argument. With censorship, the people you are censoring "win," because they have aired their opinions, and alternative opinions have only been offered up at the most superficial level.

    Combating rhetoric and "language" while being blind to the underlying ideological content is useless, however. This forces the extremists (the smart ones, anyway) to find ways to appear less extreme. If the ideas appear less extreme, less people will reject them, which will mean they will become more widespread.
    I support free speech as the basis of liberal democracy.

    While 57 Islamic States are trying to stifle free speech at the United Nations.

    So I have a duty not to censor free speech but to openly oppose illiberal ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    This is precisely what an anarchist would say.

    No one who understands and supports liberal democracy could say such a thing.
    I value common sense over ideology.
    Lock me up.
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