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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    I thought it was a solid ruling--y'know, shoving out an antiquated law, cherrypicking states, and all that, so on and so forth. That 'twas an artifact of the past, a scaffolding that we no longer need.

    But then, I remembered this, from 2012. And then I saw this, from yesterday.

    It's way, way too early to tell, but I wonder if some states still need some time with their training wheels and padded helmets before we let them out on the interstate.


    (However, it's--ahem--difficult to trust a source that explicitly states that

    and so I'd love more stats and information about this whole situation.)
    Let me present to you the most Gerrymandered district in the country. The 4th District of Illinois:



    This discriminates unfairly against white people.

    You play with the same tools to keep us from voting.

    I could care less about gerrymandering really. It's a partisan process and might always be so.

    Specific changes like moving a polling center without telling anyone and seeing lower turnout because no one could find it are what people should be worried about.

    Gerrymandering is broken, but as long as everyone does it I don't really care. The left just bellyaches because we were so strong in state legislatures in 2010. Try harder in 2020 if you want to play more of a role.

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    I favor applying it to all 50 states. How about that? We make sure people can vote, and we don't have baised treatment against any state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Let me present to you the most Gerrymandered district in the country. The 4th District of Illinois:



    This discriminates unfairly against white people.

    You play with the same tools to keep us from voting.

    I could care less about gerrymandering really. It's a partisan process and might always be so.

    Specific changes like moving a polling center without telling anyone and seeing lower turnout because no one could find it are what people should be worried about.

    Gerrymandering is broken, but as long as everyone does it I don't really care. The left just bellyaches because we were so strong in state legislatures in 2010. Try harder in 2020 if you want to play more of a role.
    Implement the shortest splitline rule. No more gerrymandering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Let me present to you the most Gerrymandered district in the country. The 4th District of Illinois:
    I personally find that map pretty pathetic, and I don't really care which side is doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Screw a helmet and training wheels; Illinois needs a whole padded room.

    You play with the same tools to keep us from voting
    As a white male, I, too, am outraged by the actions that I have personally taken to ostracize white men in the voting process. Shame on myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    Screw a helmet and training wheels; Illinois needs a whole padded room.


    As a white male, I, too, am outraged by the actions that I have personally taken to ostracize white men in the voting process. Shame on myself.
    The example of white folks in Chicago was a limited example.

    In the 60's policies existed to keep a specific race from voting.

    Now we gerrymander not to keep races from voting but to keep the opposition from voting.

    That's a big difference. When I said "you play with the same tools" I meant those on the left, not minorities.

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    Support equall rights for rich white men!

    Oh, wait: that's the primary goal of the Republical party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    (However, it's--ahem--difficult to trust a source that explicitly states that

    and so I'd love more stats and information about this whole situation.)
    You might also wish to evaluate the merits of the judicial decision for yourself; these decisions are notoriously politicized and subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    In the 60's policies existed to keep a specific race from voting.

    Now we gerrymander not to keep races from voting but to keep the opposition from voting.

    That's a big difference. When I said "you play with the same tools" I meant those on the left, not minorities.
    Oh. That makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    You might also wish to evaluate the merits of the judicial decision for yourself; these decisions are notoriously politicized and subjective.
    .. based on what I've learned, I'm leaning back toward my initial thought--that this was based on antiquated stats and needed to be put out of its misery.

    That hilarious Chicago map indicates that we need to purge our standards and devise new, more sensible ones. Surely we can stand to take a look at 'abuse' in a more general, modern light.

    We could also stand to keep tabs on what rolls out in the next few weeks, after the dust left this decision has settled. I'm not sure what the long-term implications of this are going to be. Any ideas?

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    I'm fine with either of two outcomes.

    A) new national standards are created for everyone

    B) no new standards are created and we all play on a dirty level playing field (I think this is more likely for at least the foreseeable future)

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