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    Everything in the world is all made-up. Rights only exist when we make them exist. We don't have an intrinsic right to anything, not even our own life. However, we all live in this thing that we call 'civilization', and that itself is made up from all these little made-up concepts. I think access to clean water should be a basic human right, meaning that all governments should provide clean water sources for all their citizens. If they cannot subsidize the cost, then water should still be available at a reasonable, easily affordable price.

    I watched the video -- the guy sounds like any normal business-minded CEO and not the devil reincarnated. What I felt was disappointing from the video was his apparent lack of enthusiasm and commitment in addressing environmental issues and his company's responsibility in helping to create a better world.

    CSR is a relatively new thing. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think companies are already starting to be pressured to become more ethical and environmentally-friendly in their operations. This CEO guy seems old. He's going to die soon, and there will be a new generation of CEOs, and perhaps they will understand better the need for long-term sustainability.

    Here is what I do with water:
    - We drink tap water, but we have a filter system installed, so that the water that goes to the kitchen and finally becomes cooking/drinking water is filtered and sanitized. We don't drink water from bathroom taps, although the government says it is safe to drink.
    - We pay water bills every month at a very reasonable price.
    - When I go out I buy bottled water, which where I live comes at a very reasonable price (about 30-60¢ per 500-600 ml). You can pay for 'premium' branded extremely expensive bottled water if you want to, but I've never done that.

    Seems like a good system to me.
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    I did watch the whole video.

    The Nestle CEO has completely bought into the corporate surrealism (or at least talking like someone who has--perhaps because the acceptance of this brainwashing is a litmus test to be inducted into their fold).

    He is not taking to task the "developed world". He calls the belief that every human being should have access to water an "extreme view." Who would this affect first if not the undeveloped world?

    He says we are going around mourning despite having everything we could possibly have. We aren't morning for ourselves, but the children who can't have water and die because of corporate mindset like his.

    This surreal mindset of a corporate executive, this perversion of mind, has been around for a long time. From kings and emperors, who know nothing about their subjects, to the bankers, who know nothing about the struggles of normal people through ages, to this CEO, who believes that people are complaining about nothing. The blissful smugness about how he talks about this is one of the most annoying aspects of this.

    I think we need to privatize all the costs of water usage that have been socialized for so long before we start privatizing the mass production of potable water. If companies want to be allowed charge prices for water, no company should be allowed to dump even one ion into the air and water around them without owning the air and water itself themselves. They ought not be allowed to breathe or drink any water then that hasn't been paid for. They will not be allowed to pee in any water they haven't paid for either.

    If people really believe in a market economy for the basic substances for sustaining life, then those who want it should prove they can live in this way first. If it confined to water, show that they themselves can do it. Pay for every bit of water you use. See how long that lasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    Everything in the world is all made-up. Rights only exist when we make them exist. We don't have an intrinsic right to anything, not even our own life. However, we all live in this thing that we call 'civilization', and that itself is made up from all these little made-up concepts. I think access to clean water should be a basic human right, meaning that all governments should provide clean water sources for all their citizens. If they cannot subsidize the cost, then water should still be available at a reasonable, easily affordable price.

    I watched the video -- the guy sounds like any normal business-minded CEO and not the devil reincarnated. What I felt was disappointing from the video was his apparent lack of enthusiasm and commitment in addressing environmental issues and his company's responsibility in helping to create a better world.

    CSR is a relatively new thing. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think companies are already starting to be pressured to become more ethical and environmentally-friendly in their operations. This CEO guy seems old. He's going to die soon, and there will be a new generation of CEOs, and perhaps they will understand better the need for long-term sustainability.

    Here is what I do with water:
    - We drink tap water, but we have a filter system installed, so that the water that goes to the kitchen and finally becomes cooking/drinking water is filtered and sanitized. We don't drink water from bathroom taps, although the government says it is safe to drink.
    - We pay water bills every month at a very reasonable price.
    - When I go out I buy bottled water, which where I live comes at a very reasonable price (about 30-60¢ per 500-600 ml). You can pay for 'premium' branded extremely expensive bottled water if you want to, but I've never done that.

    Seems like a good system to me.
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    I thought of Peter Brabeck today for only a few seconds as I pulled up to a roadside spring in a fairly remote area which I was passing through already. As I was collecting the free water, which is more pure and better tasting than what 90% of the US population probably draws from their tap, I thought about him just long enough to laugh at his irrelevance and his corporate doublespeak which he probably perceives as so powerful. After I was done filling the containers (7 gallons/26.5 liters), I stopped to take in the beautiful scenery around the spring, sip some of the cool water, and be amazed that the best water in the area doesn't come from a water treatment plant or a sterile-looking plastic bottle containing New York City tap water ran through a filter in a water factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    I think we need to privatize all the costs of water usage that have been socialized for so long before we start privatizing the mass production of potable water. If companies want to be allowed charge prices for water, no company should be allowed to dump even one ion into the air and water around them without owning the air and water itself themselves. They ought not be allowed to breathe or drink any water then that hasn't been paid for. They will not be allowed to pee in any water they haven't paid for either.

    If people really believe in a market economy for the basic substances for sustaining life, then those who want it should prove they can live in this way first. If it confined to water, show that they themselves can do it. Pay for every bit of water you use. See how long that lasts.
    Ha ha...love this post.

    I saw a sticker at the beach today, "Pee.Free."

    It made me think of this sort of concept you're speaking of, it touches on the sheer absurdity of people thinking they can own everything.

    I'm also kind of baffled by people who oppose the EPA...it's like, okay, let me get this straight...you want to give morons with money the capacity to ruin the earth and make it unlivable for not only themselves, but all of the people and wildlife too.

    I honestly think there's a bizarre kind of madness that has taken hold in the minds of some people, like they literally are not living in reality. Like hello, apparently we don't have anywhere near the technology for living in a colony in space, and this is the only earth we've got to live on thanks.

    It's almost like being subconsciously suicidal and homicidal.

    Except I think these people are either so deranged or ignorant that they don't understand the way the natural world works, and that we are a part of it, and humans and animals are adaptable, but can only adapt so quickly to thoughtless wild scale changes of environment.

    The difference between kings and emperors and the U.S. government and the CEO of Nestle is money...corporations have been given power that governments don't have, and they are empowered by more money and resources than any king ever was.

    I think anyone who thinks we need to stockpile guns to go to war with the government is insane. We'll have to go to war with Nestle first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    Peter Brabeck does not seem human. I have to go a little raptor on this as i'm inclined to think he may be of some alien super race infiltrating and poisoning us all slowly, labratting. His hair, every strand, everything about him seems implanted, fake including his non personality. He is definately not a human, plus he is a baddy alien. Water is not a human right to him,... it's an alien right
    He's the freaking anti-christ.

    I almost shit myself when I saw everything Nestle owns or is affiliated with or who they've managed to bully into being owned or affiliated by/with them.

    Nestle: The 21st Century USSR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    You are also assuming.

    How does the average person treat the water supply?

    The average person takes it for granted.

    The average person is a water waster.

    The average person expends clean water on things that don't involve human survival. Poriferan assumed that all water is used for drinking.

    If you want to call it "monopolizing," that's fine, as long as the result is beneficent. As long as the result is dispensing clean water for non-wasteful purposes, thus teaching the average person that clean water is not an infinite resource to take for granted.
    LOL I'm sorry but this is ludicrous...the CEO of Nestle is not teaching people to not be water wasters. I'm glad this is your clever little idea, but this is something the government and environmental agencies are more likely to do. Nestle owns a lot of junk food, frozen food, dry dairy products, cosmetics and most bottled water...these people are not interested in teaching anyone a valuable lesson. IN FACT, Ben and Jerry's went way down as an ethical sustainable company after being acquired by Nestle, not the opposite that you're imagining.

    You have a nice idea, but it has nothing to do with the facts of Nestle. If anything, Nestle is absolutely barbarically dangerous.

    Small business is the only way, it really is.


    Nestle goes into remote areas, steals their water supplies, fucks up their economy and environment, then leaves.

    Nestle is like...a viking. Raping and pillaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post


    Marxism and libertarianism have a lot in common. The assumption that things would suddenly become more efficient and logical if we were to privatize everything is likely to turn out as well as the dictatorship of the proletariat.

    I understand why Marxism and libertarianism are attractive to NTs, because they suggest that if a system were implemented, all problems would go away.

    That doesn't make them useful in the actual world. They're the political equivalent of a blueprint for a really cool spaceship that can't actually fly, at best.
    You have now been promoted (in my mind) to one of the smartest people on the forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    LOL I'm sorry but this is ludicrous...the CEO of Nestle is not teaching people to not be water wasters. I'm glad this is your clever little idea, but this is something the government and environmental agencies are more likely to do. Nestle owns a lot of junk food, frozen food, dry dairy products, cosmetics and most bottled water...these people are not interested in teaching anyone a valuable lesson. IN FACT, Ben and Jerry's went way down as an ethical sustainable company after being acquired by Nestle, not the opposite that you're imagining.

    You have a nice idea, but it has nothing to do with the facts of Nestle. If anything, Nestle is absolutely barbarically dangerous.

    Small business is the only way, it really is.


    Nestle goes into remote areas, steals their water supplies, fucks up their economy and environment, then leaves.

    Nestle is like...a viking. Raping and pillaging.
    How is the porno business?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Therefore, access to property should also be a human right.
    People should not be allowed to own property in the first place
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