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    Default Exporting Democracy is why the World resents us

    Here is an excerpt from an excellent article by Pat Buchanan at The American Conservative:

    Is it not understandable to patriots of the original “Don’t Tread on Me” republic that foreigners might resent paid U.S. agents operating inside their countries to alter the direction of their politics?

    We have a right to advance our democratic values, we say.

    But for the United States to push, for example, for freedom of speech, press and assembly in the People’s Republic of China is to promote political action that must lead to the fall of Beijing’s single-party state. Do we not understand why that might be seen by the Chinese Communist Party of Xi Jinping as subversive?

    In the Cold War Americans learned that not only was the Communist Party U.S.A. a wholly owned subsidiary of Joseph Stalin’s Comintern, that party had deeply infiltrated the U.S. government and Hollywood. In the late ’40s and early ’50s, America was convulsed over communist penetration of our institutions.

    Martin Luther King Jr. was wiretapped by J. Edgar Hoover at the direction of JFK and Attorney General Robert Kennedy because he refused to dump an adviser, Stanley Levison, who was a communist and thought to be a Soviet spy.

    Were the Kennedys being “repressive and xenophobic”?

    If we were apoplectic that Soviet-funded communists were seeking to influence our culture and politics, why ought not other countries, with cultures and institutions far different from our own, react even as we did?

    In the stricter societies of the Islamic world, governments have enacted laws regarding alcohol, premarital sex, divorce, abortion, homosexuality, gay marriage and religious conversions different from any such laws in the U.S.A.

    In some of those countries, such activities can produce floggings, amputations, stonings and beheadings. In many of these countries, children are indoctrinated in the Islamic faith in government-supported schools. Not here.

    We may deplore this, but where do we get the right to intervene in the internal affairs of these countries if they do not threaten us?

    And are we really consistent in our democracy promotion?

    How many U.S.-funded agents of Freedom House, NED, IRI and NDI are in Bahrain demanding elections that would permit the Shia majority to dump the king and oust our 5th Fleet from its Persian Gulf base?

    How would we react if Riyadh funneled billions of petrodollars into organizations and agents to finance Wahhabi madrassas and assist local Muslim communities in the U.S.A. with their efforts to enact sharia law?

    What lies behind U.S. interventions in the internal affairs of countries all over the world?

    There is, first, the residual Cold War mindset. What we did for Solidarity in Poland was right and successful, and we cannot give up this tool of democracy just because the Cold War is over.

    Second, there is the arrogance of power, the End-of-History babble about democracy being the last, best hope of earth to which all nations should aspire—and if they don’t, give them a kick in that direction.

    Once the most admired of nations, America is no longer so.

    Why not? Because of our compulsive interventions, military and political, in the internal affairs of nations that are none of our business.

    Defund the American Comintern, and bring the outside agitators home.

    Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?” Copyright 2013 Creators.com.
    I totally agree with this assessment. Our presumption that our political system is better for every other country regardless of cultural differences in other parts of the world is ridiculous.

    This is why I'm such a big fan of winding down most US bases across the globe and relying on more fluid naval power for force projection.

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    I don't know about specific deployment policies, but for a long time I've been annoyed at our need to push democracy and ideologically invade other countries to change them to resemble us, without real regard for understanding the context of their own system and how it functions in that environment, or remembering how little we appreciated it when other countries ideologically invaded our turf.

    Gawd, did I just agree with Pat Buchanan on something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I don't know about specific deployment policies, but for a long time I've been annoyed at our need to push democracy and ideologically invade other countries to change them to resemble us, without real regard for understanding the context of their own system and how it functions in that environment, or remembering how little we appreciated it when other countries ideologically invaded our turf.

    Gawd, did I just agree with Pat Buchanan on something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Gawd, did I just agree with Pat Buchanan on something?
    This is why you should talk to smart conservatives, and not believe everything you hear about them.

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    It's self-congratulatory to say that we pursue foreign wars and 'interests' in order to spread democracy. More likely that we do so in order to control resources, and preserve our access to them, which means oil.
    Why didn't we invade Rwanda? It would have saves possible millions of lives. The answer is that they have no resources we need.
    Real politick, not altruism, is the driver of foreign policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    This is why you should talk to smart conservatives, and not believe everything you hear about them.
    In fairness there aren't many smart conservatives represented in the mainstream media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    This is why you should talk to smart conservatives, and not believe everything you hear about them.
    You should all wear stickers so that I can actually recognize you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    It's self-congratulatory to say that we pursue foreign wars and 'interests' in order to spread democracy. More likely that we do so in order to control resources, and preserve our access to them, which means oil.
    Why didn't we invade Rwanda? It would have saves possible millions of lives. The answer is that they have no resources we need.
    Real politick, not altruism, is the driver of foreign policy.
    Even when that is our goal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    It's self-congratulatory to say that we pursue foreign wars and 'interests' in order to spread democracy. More likely that we do so in order to control resources, and preserve our access to them, which means oil.
    Why didn't we invade Rwanda? It would have saves possible millions of lives. The answer is that they have no resources we need.
    Real politick, not altruism, is the driver of foreign policy.
    Even when that is our goal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    In fairness there aren't many smart conservatives represented in the mainstream media.
    True. And I do talk to smart conservatives, but I usually still disagree with them.
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