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    Default Power and Pedophilia in the Catholic Church

    The problem is the disconnect between the ideal and the reality.

    The ideal is intelligent and beautiful and the reality is authoritarian and ugly.

    But how ugly?

    We do know that this institution has been raping children and covering it up for the last sixty years. We know this because we have the criminal convictions to prove it.

    But historians are now discovering that this has been going on for the best part of the last one thousand years.

    It seems this institution has been practising Droit du Seigner since the High Middle Ages towards unprotected children.

    And it is this Droit du Seigner that has been destroying the spiritual life of children for about one thousand years.

    So the ideal of this institution is the riches of the spiritual life while the reality has been the destruction of the spiritual life of the vulnerable.

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    Hmmmmn......by the latest estimates, barely 2% of all priests are pedophiles. So trying to claim the whole character of the Church and its history revolves around this issue is an incredible lasp of logic on your part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Hmmmmn......by the latest estimates, barely 2% of all priests are pedophiles. So trying to claim the whole character of the Church and its history revolves around this issue is an incredible lasp of logic on your part.
    It is true that the percentage is the same as the rest of the population but it was covered up right up the hierarchy.

    It is the cover up that makes it an institutional crime.

    And it is not your ordinary institutional crime. This is a crime that destroyed the spiritual life of the vulnerable.

    And this is a crime carried out by an institution devoted to the spiritual life.

    And as far as we can determine at this time, it has been carried out since the High Middle Ages.

    Surely this institution should explore why and how it has been carrying out this crime for so long.

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    So again, the whole character and history of Catholicism revolves around this? And what exact connection does it have to a discussion about Augustinian spirituality?

    Seriously, do you start ranting about suicide bombers if somebody discusses Sufism or other forms of Islamic mysticism? Or rant about Ninjas when somebody brings up Zen Buddhism?

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    Some people just like to see themselves yap about nothing, peguy. I doubt he read a quarter of your initial post.

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    You're probably right. BTW, have some rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    So again, the whole character and history of Catholicism revolves around this? And what exact connection does it have to do with a discussion about Augustinian spirituality?

    Seriously, do you start ranting about suicide bombers if somebody discusses Sufism or other forms of Islamic mysticism? Or rant about Ninjas when somebody brings up Zen Buddhism?
    Always mate, I always rave about Ninjas when somebody brings up Zen Buddhism.

    But on a more serious note, Bishop Robinson has written a book about the topic I suggested, but only dealing with the last sixty years.

    I have read his book and it is mild, couched in theological terms that you might expect from a Bishop. And I must say it is inoffensive.

    However even this book has been dismissed by the Church.

    But the new controversial discipline of Psychohistory is opening up this whole area.

    I think some of the pain of thinking about it lies in the cognitive dissonance between the ideal and the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    More incoherent rants that have nothing to with the actual topic at hand. Thanks for ruining the thread. :rolli:

    Does anybody actually have something to say that's related to Augustinian spirituality?
    The City of God, mate, look around you - almost wherever you look, you see crimes against the vulnerable.

    It's no good closing your ears to their cries.

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    Oh yes, the sole purpose of the Catholic Church has been to molest little boys for 2000 years. You really need to pull your head out of your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Oh yes, the sole purpose of the Catholic Church has been to molest little boys for 2000 years. You really need to pull your head out of your ass.
    This is not so far from the truth as the abused tend to abuse.

    You might be interested to read about it by clicking on -

    Contents - FOUNDATIONS OF PSYCHOHISTORY

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