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    Default Ruskies murder and mayhem in UK

    There's regularly enough explusions of diplomats from Russia or the US alongside allegations of spying and spy games but check out some of the incidents happening this last while in the UK:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...ets-of-britain

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...ian-supergrass

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...erezovsky.html

    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-...acid-nightmare

    That's not counting the Litvinenko affair:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...vidence-secret

    Even if you dont believe some of the more sensationalistic theories about extreme weather being engineered, cloud seeding and other environmentally devastating outbreaks of disease among animals or plant life are attributable to geopolitics and spy games there's enough there to be concerned about.

    I actually think these things are more concerning than the threat posed to public safety by lunatics such as the one taking place this week when that young soldier was set upon by political muslims armed with knives. What are your views and have you noticed this kind of thing being reported?

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    I think of that time you commented on Russians immediately turning towards an act of war when that meteorite crashed.


    Have you been thinking something's going on? I personally haven't noticed anything.

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    Fascinating, disturbing stuff.

    I'm inclined to agree with you. I suppose people aren't interested in this because it doesn't involve spooky Muslims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    I think of that time you commented on Russians immediately turning towards an act of war when that meteorite crashed.


    Have you been thinking something's going on? I personally haven't noticed anything.
    I personally dont think the cold war ended, I think it was ruse, get the west to recapitalise the country and ditch the ideology which was looking dated in favour of a newer updated one, security, war on terror, war against political islam.

    Perhaps there was a bit of tottering and a bit of a wobble in the elites in Russia but the intelligence services were not slow to stabilise things, recover and reactivate cells around europe and the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I personally dont think the cold war ended, I think it was ruse, get the west to recapitalise the country and ditch the ideology which was looking dated in favour of a newer updated one, security, war on terror, war against political islam.

    Perhaps there was a bit of tottering and a bit of a wobble in the elites in Russia but the intelligence services were not slow to stabilise things, recover and reactivate cells around europe and the world.

    *strokes beard*


    I don't know enough about the Cold War, to be honest, beyond what I've learned from Metal Gear Solid and this book "Brothers in Blood: The International Terrorist Network" which focuses more on the entire geopolitical state of affairs post-WWII, not specifically Russia vs America. I don't know how much of a threat Russia played to the world beyond the threat America played to the world, except for the obvious "communism is bad" routine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Fascinating, disturbing stuff.

    I'm inclined to agree with you. I suppose people aren't interested in this because it doesn't involve spooky Muslims.
    The political muslims are the perfect proxies for spy games, even if they arent going to hit any important targets or harm elites they are unpredictable and can require significant spending and dedication of resources by any government whose country they have hit, the response of the citizenry in terms of wanting it will always vary but anyway, its like the spending during the cold war on producing massive stocks of weapons which were destined to corrode in fields some place, the arms race was about seeing whose spending would break their economy first.

    Look at the elements who're drawn in to political islamic outrages too, self-indoctrinated and brainwashed through faceless and untraceable websites, they arent questioning too much if the radical preachers they're incited by online are invented and the network they imagine they're part of is entirely invented like the circle of anarchists in The Man Who Was Last Thursday or The Secret Agent or a front from Russian or other government agents.

    Given that most of the people involved in these terror attacks have the idea that they're just tools and have a future as a martyr, ie dead, they perhaps wouldnt mind whether or not the controller is genuine or some spook, perhaps they're too far gone, but maybe not. The reality is that they arent even "assets" they're useful idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    *strokes beard*


    I don't know enough about the Cold War, to be honest, beyond what I've learned from Metal Gear Solid and this book "Brothers in Blood: The International Terrorist Network" which focuses more on the entire geopolitical state of affairs post-WWII, not specifically Russia vs America. I don't know how much of a threat Russia played to the world beyond the threat America played to the world, except for the obvious "communism is bad" routine.
    Yeah, those wouldnt be entirely good guides to the cold war.

    On the other hand the British and Russia were international imperial rivals from long before the communists came to power in Russia, they were thinking of intervening on opposing sides of the US civil war for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah, those wouldnt be entirely good guides to the cold war.

    On the other hand the British and Russia were international imperial rivals from long before the communists came to power in Russia, they were thinking of intervening on opposing sides of the US civil war for instance.

    Do you have a suggested reading? I mean, I know basic stuff.


    That would have been lovely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    Do you have a suggested reading? I mean, I know basic stuff.


    That would have been lovely.
    Hmm, I'm trying to think but nothing immediately comes to mind, I've read so many sources over such a long, long time.

    The whole anti-communist think in the US is something which I think for anyone even now to look back on seems baffling, the real old black and white news reel propaganda clips about "what's wrong with communism?" are amazing, the biggest and first issue being "they're godless", which would probably be a plus to most modern US liberals, and there are old black and white reels commending the German national socialists to the world which were of US origin (they were seen for a long time as a buffer between older empires and Russians communism).

    Even the sources I've read, like Erich Fromm's May Man Prevail?, which I think is a good left wing synopsis of the conflict from the time, are just incredulous about the threat of nuclear war and anyone believing things like "better dead than red" and taking those slogans seriously. Fromm's really heavily criticised by other sources, such as the Polish anti-communist (anti-socialist I'd say too) Kolakowski (perhaps too heavily criticised but anyway), so again look for some diversity.

    Much of the western histories of the conlict, like the book called Commies, are useless, they're present day politicised histories utilising the past to provide context to their views of the present, usually linking up things such as the threat from present day terrorists with regimes of a totally different nature in yester year so they can have a completely perrenial "the enemy", "the other".

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