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    Bad Faith and Reality on TV

    This is not real. This is acting. And this is acting for the camera.

    Anyone with a camera in their face will act.

    But what is interesting is that we are expected to take this at face value and believe we are watching 'reality TV', or reality on TV.

    Their problem is to suspend our disbelief.

    And usually they suspend our disbelief when first they suspend their own disbelief and fully imagine the work, so then we can suspend our disbelief.

    But when they lack the ability to fully imagine their work and suspend our disbelief, they act in bad faith and say, 'this is a true story', or 'this is reality TV'.

    But what is worse is that the viewers also act in bad faith and believe they are watching reality on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This is not real. This is acting. And this is acting for the camera.

    Anyone with a camera in their face will act.

    But what is interesting is that we are expected to take this at face value and believe we are watching 'reality TV', reality on TV.

    Their problem is to suspend our disbelief.

    And usually they suspend our disbelief when first they suspend their own disbelief and fully imagine the work, so then we can suspend our disbelief.

    But when they lack the ability to fully imagine their work and suspend our disbelief, they act in bad faith and say, 'this is a true story', or 'this is reality TV'.

    But what is worse is that the viewers also act in bad faith and believe they are watching reality on TV.
    Wrong.
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Wrong.
    And what is even more fascinating is that those who act in bad faith and believe they see reality on TV, also act in bad faith and believe astrology can predict the future and mbti can describe our personalities.

    Bad faith is plainly contagious. And what we need is the innocent eyes of a child to say the Emperor has no clothes.

    But what a fuss there is when anyone tells the truth. "Wrong", we are told, "You are wrong, wrong, wrong". No wonder we learn to elide the truth and find safety in bad faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This is not real. This is acting. And this is acting for the camera.

    Anyone with a camera in their face will act.

    But what is interesting is that we are expected to take this at face value and believe we are watching 'reality TV', or reality on TV.

    Their problem is to suspend our disbelief.

    And usually they suspend our disbelief when first they suspend their own disbelief and fully imagine the work, so then we can suspend our disbelief.

    But when they lack the ability to fully imagine their work and suspend our disbelief, they act in bad faith and say, 'this is a true story', or 'this is reality TV'.

    But what is worse is that the viewers also act in bad faith and believe they are watching reality on TV.
    Pretty much. They don't want to pay for good writers and real actors, so this is what they do.
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    ~ John Rogers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And what is even more fascinating is that those who act in bad faith and believe they see reality on TV, also act in bad faith and believe astrology can predict the future and mbti can describe our personalities.

    Bad faith is plainly contagious. And what we need is the innocent eyes of a child to say the Emperor has no clothes.

    But what a fuss there is when anyone tells the truth. "Wrong", we are told, "You are wrong, wrong, wrong". No wonder we learn to elide the truth and find safety in bad faith.
    You put "You are wrong, wrong, wrong" in scare quotes, which proves that you're wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Pretty much. They don't want to pay for good writers and real actors, so this is what they do.
    Yes, they don't pay for writers and real actors, and they don't have good viewers, so this is what they do.

    The only thing more important than a good writer is a good reader, or in this case, a good viewer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    You put "You are wrong, wrong, wrong" in scare quotes, which proves that you're wrong.
    It's ridiculous, isn't it? Just as ridiculous as reality TV - you come on here to prove me wrong.

    Reality TV has impoverished your imagination to such and extent you are reduced to proving someone on the othe side of the world wrong.

    Of course the implication is that you are right. Impoverished and right. A gutted imagination unable to imagine its own impoverishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It's ridiculous, isn't it? Just as ridiculous as reality TV - you come on here to prove me wrong.

    Reality TV has impoverished your imagination to such and extent you are reduced to proving someone on the othe side of the world wrong.

    Of course the implication is that you are right. Impoverished and right. A gutted imagination unable to imagine its own impoverishment.
    Troll, troll, troll your boat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    You guys have no stomach for reality (or actuality) tv.
    Nnnnnnope, you're right that I don't have much patience for that sort of thing. I don't have much patience for TV at all, let alone this sort of stuff. This is the only episode of Kitchen Nightmares I've ever seen. I know Gordon Ramsey has that other show, Hell's Kitchen, and I've never watched any of it either.

    Better than the schlock on TLC though, which might as well rebrand itself "The Freakshow Channel".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Troll, troll, troll your boat!
    First you are reduced to proving me wrong, but not being satisfied, you reduce yourself even further by openly and deliberately insulting me.

    So I am obliged to advise you that insults are against the rules and may lead to banning.

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