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    I got this picture from Facebook were it was circulating with the message that it was from some part of China in which there had been a fire at a factory and this monkey was seen entering the building and rescuing this little dog, it was accompanied with the suggestion that if animals are capable of that sort of compassion then so should we, nice sentiment.

    Although what do you think is going on there? Why would a monkey do that? Is the presumption in the quote that the animal kingdom is less compassionate than humankind a fair one or is the opposite true? After all lions or other big cats will not kill every gazelle or wilder beast they come across, only when they are hungry and the rules of aggression among pack animals are different from aggression in the human world.

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    I don't have an answer on your question, but I do want to comment on this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I got this picture from Facebook were it was circulating with the message that it was from some part of China in which there had been a fire at a factory and this monkey was seen entering the building and rescuing this little dog, it was accompanied with the suggestion that if animals are capable of that sort of compassion then so should we, nice sentiment.
    This irritates me somewhat. People view all animals as innocent beings who always get along with each other. They are pure, and we are not. However, the animal world is very cruel and vicious. We are not the only being who wars and fights with our own kind. This happens all the time in nature. Just look at baboon troops, for example. The alpha male usually gets there by being the biggest asshole possible. He uses everyone and beats them when they don't do what he wants.

    We just have more tools to fight with one another is all.

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    Some animals are capable of empathy. This nothing new, although I can't speak to the details of that particular monkey's actions.
    is it possibe that the monkey was trying to save the dog? Yes.
    Is it possible that the story was made up to support the picture? Yes.
    Does it seem plausible that a monkey would abduct a puppy for use as food? Not likely.
    There is no way to know that, but inter-species bonding happens.

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    He could either be doing it out of empathy (monkeys are likely to possess that capability as it is a useful skill in a societal based way of life, like ours) or he coudl be doing it -and i do not relish saying this- coz the puppy really does make a wonderful source of protein... I know certain ape species will sometimes kidnap the children of rivalling tribes, or even steal babies from a village nearby for this reason. Im not sure how alike they are, but if this same behavior is true for monkeys, that puppy is a treat most monkeys dont come across every day and holds highly value to omnivores.

    But yes, random acts of kindness are definitely recorded in the animal world. Dogs taking on tiger cubs to raise, dolphins saving a human or dog from drowning, etc. I highly doubt that we are the only species embedded with the capacity of empathy, considering it is a highly valuable survival mechanism.
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    I guess seeing my pet hamster eat her own young when I as a teenager hasn't fostered a belief in compassionate animals in me.
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    First time mother and relatively young?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
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    No idea. The guy at the store told my mom it was a male. Knowing a little more about hamsters than I did then, it should have been obvious it wasn't.

    Mom took her back to the store and I feaked out at the smell of cedar chips for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    No idea. The guy at the store told my mom it was a male. Knowing a little more about hamsters than I did then, it should have been obvious it wasn't.

    Mom took her back to the store and I feaked out at the smell of cedar chips for years.
    Aw...yeah, that cannot be pleasant, especially as a kid

    From what i recall, inexperienced animals are more likely to do this, especially if they are quite young as well. Usually, a mother will do this under duress, whether it be lack of food, stress by predators or what have you. It is a way to unburden yourself as well as gain more energy for yourself (again, protein). The theory is that if you can increase your odds of survival, you can put a lot more litters on the earth, whereas if you dont survive, this litter won't either due to your absence, so there is not point to trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Aw...yeah, that cannot be pleasant, especially as a kid

    From what i recall, inexperienced animals are more likely to do this, especially if they are quite young as well. Usually, a mother will do this under duress, whether it be lack of food, stress by predators or what have you. It is a way to unburden yourself as well as gain more energy for yourself (again, protein). The theory is that if you can increase your odds of survival, you can put a lot more litters on the earth, whereas if you dont survive, this litter won't either due to your absence, so there is not point to trying.
    It's a perfectly logical thing to do, but I don't know any human women who ate their babies. Not that it never happens, but I don't think it's as common as it is in the animal kingdom.
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