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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    He left the US in a much stronger position than it was in before he took office.

    He resolved a territory dispute with England. He took care of the problems with Mexico. He signed one of the lowest tariffs in US history.
    You're forgetting the best part:

    "James K. Polk" by They Might Be Giants

    In 1844, the Democrats were split
    The three nominees for the presidential candidate
    Were Martin Van Buren, a former president and an abolitionist
    James Buchanan, a moderate
    Louis Cass, a general and expansionist
    From Nashville came a dark horse riding up
    He was James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

    Austere, severe, he held few people dear
    His oratory filled his foes with fear
    The factions soon agreed
    He's just the man we need
    To bring about victory
    Fulfill our manifest destiny
    And annex the land the Mexicans command
    And when the votes were cast the winner was
    Mister James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

    In four short years he met his every goal
    He seized the whole southwest from Mexico
    Made sure the tarriffs fell
    And made the English sell the Oregon territory
    He built an independent treasury
    Having done all this he sought no second term
    But precious few have mourned the passing of
    Mister James K. Polk, our eleventh president
    Young Hickory, Napoleon of the Stump


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    He left the US in a much stronger position than it was in before he took office.

    He resolved a territory dispute with England. He took care of the problems with Mexico. He signed one of the lowest tariffs in US history.
    Seems strange to give him credit for taking "care of... Mexico" given your stance on Lincoln and the Civil War, but okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Who here has a nickname better than "Napoleon of the Stump?"
    Well my friends have been known to refer to me as "God-Emperor of Rock" or just "His Rockitude" for short...

    Does that count?
    "The subject chooses to sit in shadow and search for wisdom by reflecting upon his trial. The problem is not that he is cold and wet, but that cold and wet seems problematic, so he embraces those hardships in order to best them."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priam View Post
    Well my friends have been known to refer to me as "God-Emperor of Rock" or just "His Rockitude" for short...

    Does that count?
    That isn't bad. I've been know to call myself "Disco." I've talked to people I know, and in retrospect, it should have been my nickname through college, for a number of reasons. Usually, I am called "Mike D." There are always a million Mikes running around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Bush can always argue that the Confederacy had an army and there was a state of war there. Terrorist groups like al-Qaeda do not, so treating them neither as criminals nor as prisoners of war is OK. And they always have the "Lincoln was a great president, and he did the same thing" argument at their disposal. Complete garbage if you ask me, but there are stupid people who buy into the "we're at war!" mentality for everything.
    This is a problem that cannot be applied to any single situation. Stupid people believe stupid things. If we do not factor in the "risk" of opening up excuses, then I say Lincoln was fine and Bush is horrible. What of the fact that Bush could turn to Lincoln and claim there was a precedent?You really can't blame someone for the ways their image and their decisions will be used by manipulators ages after their death. I can't blame Lincoln for what Bush attributes to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    He left the US in a much stronger position than it was in before he took office.

    He resolved a territory dispute with England. He took care of the problems with Mexico. He signed one of the lowest tariffs in US history.
    Boooooo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Seems strange to give him credit for taking "care of... Mexico" given your stance on Lincoln and the Civil War, but okay.
    That only shows that you don't understand my stance.

    You can't really compare the war with Mexico to the Civil War, anyway. About 13,000 Americans died in the war with Mexico, over 600,000 died in the Civil War. And that's only counting soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    That only shows that you don't understand my stance.

    You can't really compare the war with Mexico to the Civil War, anyway. About 13,000 Americans died in the war with Mexico, over 600,000 died in the Civil War. And that's only counting soldiers.
    But what was the cause? What was the justification? Don't go switching from using cause as the most important thing in one argument and then using consequence as the most important thing in another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    That only shows that you don't understand my stance.

    You can't really compare the war with Mexico to the Civil War, anyway. About 13,000 Americans died in the war with Mexico, over 600,000 died in the Civil War. And that's only counting soldiers.
    It helps to state a stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    But what was the cause? What was the justification? Don't go switching from using cause as the most important thing in one argument and then using consequence as the most important thing in another.
    It's always a cost/benefit analysis. You can't look at cause without weighing the costs. That's hopelessly idealistic. If the Civil War could have been handled with only 20,000 deaths, my opinion would be quite different.

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