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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    No. The north had way more people, a stronger economy, and was ultimately more likely to get foreign support.
    The North received quite a bit more support from the Irish than the South did.

    AllAboutIrish - American Civil War

    The North basically took Irish right off the boat (after they fled English tyranny) and threw them into their own war. Luckily, my ancestors didn't come over until after the Civil War had ended, otherwise I probably wouldn't be here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Well, Wolf is right that the Confederacy had made major inroads into Maryland early in the War, but I am not nearly as sanguine on their prospects for outright victory. I am more interested in the secession question. I guess that the Supreme Court could decline to hear a secession case, but I think that the meaning of the Constitution in regards to participation in the federal government is certainly within their jurisdiction, if they wanted to take it on. It's one of the core elements of a republican (small-r) government.
    Nowadays I'd guess that they would say no, just because it's already been kind of settled in people's minds, but it is an interesting question. (Now that you bring this up, I wonder if someone had thought to try sending the question through the supreme court at the time, what it would have decided.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    Am I the only person who had this image immediately pop into their head?
    History is usually written by the winners. To claim that there is considerable bias in favor of that North isn't absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zergling View Post
    Nowadays I'd guess that they would say no, just because it's already been kind of settled in people's minds, but it is an interesting question. (Now that you bring this up, I wonder if someone had thought to try sending the question through the supreme court at the time, what it would have decided.)
    The topic came up during the late-1820s and 1830s with John Calhoun and the "Nullification Crisis." Now, I believe that interpreting the Constitution is clearly the job of the SCOTUS, but I think that the federal government was wrong about the tariff they were trying to get South Carolina to implement, and the Force Bill passed in response to their nullification attempt. That being said, damn you, South Carolina! Always so uppity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    The North received quite a bit more support from the Irish than the South did.
    Almost all of the European immigrants voted with their feet and settled in the North. The South was a Third World nation within a nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    And I still have to disagree with MacGuffin on Lincoln. It sounded facetious to me, but I knew better. Lincoln may be the most overrated POTUS of all, but there is quite the battle for that title.
    What did he do that failed?

    ETA: or what could he have done better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Woolf View Post
    Almost all of the European immigrants voted with their feet and settled in the North. The South was a Third World nation within a nation.
    Voted with their feet? That seems to be a rather short-sighted view, to me. New York was the major port of entry for immigrants. Was it affordable for them to sail to a different port (that I honestly don't know)? Was it affordable for them to leave New York and settle in the South (probably not)?

    My ancestors settled in the Midwest, well, the ones that weren't moved from reservation to reservation by the United States of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    What did he do that failed?

    ETA: or what could he have done better?
    Check out a previous thread for my thoughts on Lincoln.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...91-post22.html

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...22-post24.html

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...69-post26.html
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    Yeah, I read those but not seeing much to criticize, except if one's politics are opposed to such things.

    They mostly seem like minor quibbles in the midst of a civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Yeah, I read those but not seeing much to criticize, except if one's politics are opposed to such things.

    They mostly seem like minor quibbles in the midst of a civil war.
    Shouldn't everyone's politics be against throwing newspaper publishers in jail simply for disagreeing with the President? Could you imagine if Bush tried that?
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