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    I vote for Benjamin Franklin to replace him. Few people in history created and left more positive effects and institutions in this country... Not only did he invent and implement some of the things that make it possible to live as we do, but he was also the diplomat that made it possible for us to become a country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    If history is fair, they will mention his sensible stances on immigration, cutting taxes, and relatively good (but spotty) support for free trade. Almost everything else, he will get slammed on, and rightfully so. Of course, 50 years from now, Iraq might be a much better place, and historians (who are naturally biased in favor of strong executives who "do something") might retroactively attribute that to Bush. That happens with some regularity. Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR (other power-grabbing war-time Presidents) were considered deities in mainstream American historians' minds until the last twenty years or so.
    Immigration, taxes and free trade will depend on the people's views who are reviewing Bush, and the taxes also might run into the "cutting taxes while increasing spending with a huge debt", problem even for people who prefer them cut the way they were.

    How would it be illegal to be VP? There are no term limits on VPs, and he would be allowed to finish out one term as President if Obama were unable to for whatever reason. He just wouldn't be allowed to be elected President ever again.
    If I remembered it right, the limit was 10 years/two elected terms, though it seems time to look it up anyway.

    (I would still prefer no Clintons involved at all, I'd prefer to have some newer people brought in.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zergling View Post
    Immigration, taxes and free trade will depend on the people's views who are reviewing Bush, and the taxes also might run into the "cutting taxes while increasing spending with a huge debt", problem even for people who prefer them cut the way they were.



    If I remembered it right, the limit was 10 years/two elected terms, though it seems time to look it up anyway.

    (I would still prefer no Clintons involved at all, I'd prefer to have some newer people brought in.)
    That doesn't account for this situation, though. There is no way to know if he ever would be President again, and no explicit ban of it anywhere in the Constitution. It's possible that, if he took over for Obama, he'd be forced out of office after two years, and then HIS Vice President would become President. Kinda like Gerald Ford (never elected Vice President or President).


    I agree on the spending part, too. His administration saw the biggest increase in government spending since LBJ. And the deficit increase was brutal. That's one thing that always amazed me about the Reagan-fanboys. They never talk about the gigantic increase in the deficit in his terms. He was always spotty with the cutting government spending, despite his rhetoric.
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    That doesn't account for this situation, though. There is no way to know if he ever would be President again, and no explicit ban of it anywhere in the Constitution. It's possible that, if he took over for Obama, he'd be forced out of office after two years, and then HIS Vice President would become President. Kinda like Gerald Ford (never elected Vice President or President).
    Ah, that's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I say we're too in-the-moment to judge. You've got to give a president ten years after he's out of office to form a solid personal opinion, 25 years for the pundits to settle in, a half-century for him to really find his place in history.

    Bush is one of the most unpopular presidents ever, it's true; but worst? Only time will tell.
    You do have a point that it is difficult to objectively judge while still having him as President. On the other hand even if you ignore all of the partisan policy stances that people might agree or disagree with, we can see that he made a whole lot of bad decisions. Not preventing 9/11, invading Iraq, poor response on Katrina, "executive privilege", Abu Graib and Gitmo, outing the CIA agent, and all of the cabinet and staff who left often criticizing the administration after they left. There have been a lot of serious mistakes made by this administration that have nothing to do with partisan viewpoints. I do not think history will be kind to George W. Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    You do have a point that it is difficult to objectively judge while still having him as President. On the other hand even if you ignore all of the partisan policy stances that people might agree or disagree with, we can see that he made a whole lot of bad decisions. Not preventing 9/11, invading Iraq, poor response on Katrina, "executive privilege", Abu Graib and Gitmo, outing the CIA agent, and all of the cabinet and staff who left often criticizing the administration after they left. There have been a lot of serious mistakes made by this administration that have nothing to do with partisan viewpoints. I do not think history will be kind to George W. Bush.
    "Not preventing 9/11" isn't something that can fairly placed on Dubya's shoulders (or Clinton's). Besides the fact that those who were truly responsible were the hijackers themselves, poor intelligence is not just the fault of one POTUS, or even one administration. Terrible response TO 9/11 can be blamed on the Bush Administration, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    He won on the votes of women that were swooning over him, and that's the only reason.
    I think I picked up on that even though I was only 9-10 at the time. It turned me off politics for years.
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    A president that has served two full terms is not elligible as Vice President, as it is his/her duty to succeed the presidency if the president is disposed, and doing so would serve as a third term.


    EDIT: Rules exist in spite of or are added to the constitution all the time. I'm just trying to remember if this was one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Wrong Clinton. He should pick Bill. No, really, I would pick someone sensible and moderate, like Jim Webb, Katherine Sibelius, or Wesley Clark. And Joe Biden should be Secretary of State.
    Joe Biden should be President of Earth. I'm so disappointed that he's not in the race. He would have kicked some fucking ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    A president that has served two full terms is not elligible as Vice President, as it is his/her duty to succeed the presidency if the president is disposed, and doing so would serve as a third term.


    EDIT: Rules exist in spite of or are added to the constitution all the time. I'm just trying to remember if this was one of them.
    You can be President for up to 10 years, though. If a VP takes over for the President less than halfway through his term, he can be elected President twice after that. This is a major constitutional gray area.
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