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    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    How do those obligations affect the financial stability of those nations in the long term?
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    No surprise there, nor that conservatives could care less about the welfare of citizens.

    I wish that this wasnt one of those things that the UK has decided to out do the US at but it appears to be the case, I've got this theory that politicians are like bullies and national politicians are not competiting with one another to see who can ill treat their population the most with the least in the way of consequences for them personally.

    At least in what I'd refer to as the "west" and especially in the english speaking world, although its deeply engrained in the culture, the most popular game shows and entertainment all involve some sort of bullying and cruelty, like the put downs dealt out to contestants on the various talent or reality TV shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No surprise there, nor that conservatives could care less about the welfare of citizens.
    Conservatives consider the welfare of the country as a whole more important than subsidizing decades of retirement for an elderly population that is living much longer, yet working no longer, than when that particular welfare program was created.

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    It's OK. One day I will become a master archer.. and a cannibal. I will target fat republicans first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Conservatives consider the welfare of the country as a whole more important than subsidizing decades of retirement for an elderly population that is living much longer, yet working no longer, than when that particular welfare program was created.
    Yeah, that's what I figured. America's not a good place to be old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah, that's what I figured. America's not a good place to be old.
    It's a fine place to be old if you've saved enough for a comfortable retirement. Unfortunately, our government tells and incentivizes people to spend, spend, spend rather than save, save, save, so most Americans don't have enough saved for a comfortable retirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah, that's what I figured. America's not a good place to be old.
    It's not. We get a lot of people with repetitive stress and other work-related injuries and we have rampant age discrimination in the workplace: companies will fire you if you start costing them too much in wages or healthcare costs, often a decade or so before you can collect Social security. And while you can currently retire and collect Social Security at 62, you don't get Medicare until you're 65.

    So now we have a lot of older folks working at low-paying retail and food service jobs that do not offer health insurance or offer it in such a way that most people cannot get it and even if they could, they can't afford the copays and deductibles, so they can't use it. So they spend 15+ years with untreated medical problems and taxpayers get to pay to try to fix them when they hit the magic number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    It's not. We get a lot of people with repetitive stress and other work-related injuries and we have rampant age discrimination in the workplace: companies will fire you if you start costing them too much in wages or healthcare costs, often a decade or so before you can collect Social security. And while you can currently retire and collect Social Security at 62, you don't get Medicare until you're 65.

    So now we have a lot of older folks working at low-paying retail and food service jobs that do not offer health insurance or offer it in such a way that most people cannot get it and even if they could, they can't afford the copays and deductibles, so they can't use it. So they spend 15+ years with untreated medical problems and taxpayers get to pay to try to fix them when they hit the magic number.
    That's a better post than any complaining about feckless individuals simply failing to save or causing problems for themselves and everyone else by being thriftless.

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