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    WASHINGTON (AP) — Citing the principle of equality that drove the nation's founding, President Barack Obama spoke out Friday against California's ban on gay marriage and said the Supreme Court should strike it down.
    A day after his administration filed a friend-of-the-court brief unequivocally calling on the justices to strike down California's Proposition 8 ballot measure, Obama said he felt there was no way for his administration to avoid the case.
    "I felt it was important for us to articulate what I believe and what this administration stands for," the president said.
    The nation has gone through the same evolution he has gone through about how gay couples should be treated under the law, said Obama, who once opposed gay marriage but changed his position last year during his re-election campaign.
    I found this (as well as yesterday's filing about the DOMA case) interesting and rather predictable, honestly.

    Same-sex marriage came up in the campaign and he still managed to win the election.
    The current pro-same-sex marriage polling is somewhere around 51-53% in favor of it, and increasing.
    A few more states endorsed same-sex marriage in the November election.
    The Supreme Court has specifically taken on two same-sex-marriage-related cases for this month.
    Many many leading companies in the USA have filed briefs with SCOTUS supporting same-sex marriage.
    Some leading Republicans have done the same.
    His administration already refused to defend DOMA and added explicit anti-discriminaton rules to gov hiring practices.
    He's already voiced public support in a way that no other president has done to this point.
    The conservative religious Republican demogogues continue to take a beating in the polls.

    It's not like he is flying in the face of conventional wisdom and taking a huge risk.
    The wave is actually rolling forward.
    He's just grabbing his board and surfing the crest of it.
    If you were a betting man, it seems like a win-win to ride that wave (and not a huge risk).
    Now is probably the perfect time for him to jump out there and push things along.
    So it's not surprising.

    Only an extreme risk-adversive man would have failed to catch the wave.

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    Sure Obama’s riding the wave (not that he privately opposes gay marriage). The poll-shift on gay marriage and related issues is one reason why he's president. Republicans used to love this issue, but not so much anymore.

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    I'd like to think he's doing it because he believes it's the right/humane thing to do and not because he thought it was a good political move. Considering siding with minorities is politically risky (because they are a minority), I'm guessing that is the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    I'd like to think he's doing it because he believes it's the right/humane thing to do and not because he thought it was a good political move. Considering siding with minorities is politically risky (because they are a minority), I'm guessing that is the case.
    Yes. Politicians often do the opposite to get/stay in office, namely downplay the views they honestly hold to avoid alienating substantial segments of the electorate. When personal values and the tide of public sentiment fortuitously coincide, a politician can finally give free rein to what they think is right.

    It is amazing that gay marriage has had such strong opposition from republicans for so long. They claim to be the party of less government interference. Former senator Olympia Snowe was one of the first republicans I heard to publically make this point.
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    Republicans should take this opportunity to out their in the closet members. Eric Cantor, especially.

    Or maybe Michelle Bachmann's "gay conversion therapist" husband.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    It is amazing that gay marriage has had such strong opposition from republicans for so long. They claim to be the party of less government interference. Former senator Olympia Snowe was one of the first republicans I heard to publically make this point.
    They do want less government interference, except of course, for the things that they find personally offensive, at which point they want the government to interfere on their behalf. This isn't necessarily a Republican issue, it's a shithead issue - and unfortunately the world is full of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    It is amazing that gay marriage has had such strong opposition from republicans for so long. They claim to be the party of less government interference. Former senator Olympia Snowe was one of the first republicans I heard to publically make this point.
    It's a stupid point. Republicans have always supported state rights. What they don't support is the intereference of nine men and women with the will of the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    It's a stupid point. Republicans have always supported state rights. What they don't support is the intereference of nine men and women with the will of the people.
    So republicans support interference of government in people's lives, as long as it's state government instead of federal? I'm sure that distinction is lost on your average Joe or Jane just trying to be left alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    So republicans support interference of government in people's lives, as long as it's state government instead of federal? I'm sure that distinction is lost on your average Joe or Jane just trying to be left alone.
    People who want the government to sanction their activity are not people who want to be left alone.
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