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    The Left and Free Speech

    The Left have made an historic alliance with Islamists, much like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

    And here are the Left in Oz using street violence to stop free speech.

    Click on - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH6qI30Nc2s

    and - http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The Left have made an historic alliance with Islamists, much like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

    And here are the Left in Oz using street violence to stop free speech.

    Click on - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH6qI30Nc2s

    and - http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen
    I saw leftists in a coffee shop, 1964. They did not discuss free speech much. Socialism was their aim.
    That was the time when Nikita ruled Russia.
    Russia took Prague, 1968. The left divided.
    Stalin had made a deal with Hitler, 1939. The left divided then, too.
    Divide et impera.

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    Free speech is more of a anarchist/authoritarian conflict. The right and left can swing either way under those two. Neither has definitively tied to one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Free speech is more of a anarchist/authoritarian conflict. The right and left can swing either way under those two. Neither has definitively tied to one of them.
    I am using the word 'Left' here to specifically refer to the marxist Left.

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    Extreme left and extreme right are both evil destructionists and have those desires intending to utilize different approaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I am using the word 'Left' here to specifically refer to the marxist Left.
    And we might well ask what do the marxist Left and the Islamists have in common, after all the marxist Left are atheist and the Islamists are theists.

    The marxist Left and the Islamists have a common enemy. And that common enemy is liberal democracy.

    They hate liberal democracy more than they hate each other, and regard the enemy of my enemy as my friend.

    And also the marxist Left and the Islamists have totalitarian ideologies.

    Also the marxist Left and the Islamists regard violence and terrorism as legitimate ways of gaining political ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And we might well ask what do the marxist Left and the Islamists have in common, after all the marxist Left are atheist and the Islamists are theists.

    The marxist Left and the Islamists have a common enemy. And that common enemy is liberal democracy.

    They hate liberal democracy more than they hate each other, and regard the enemy of my enemy as my friend.

    And also the marxist Left and the Islamists have totalitarian ideologies.

    Also the marxist Left and the Islamists regard violence and terrorism as legitimate ways of gaining political ends.
    I assume you mean the Lenin brand of marxist left.

    Russian Social Democratic Party divided in London, 1903.
    Lenin challenged the party line. His Mensheviks became Bolsheviks for one day.
    The name tarried.
    To the end of their days the Menshevik party crashers were known as the Bolsheviks.
    There is a famous Bolshoi in the Red City, to remind of the grand event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Also the marxist Left and the Islamists regard violence and terrorism as legitimate ways of gaining political ends.
    I'm neither one of them, but I still fall somewhat in the same category. Sometimes issues are so complicated, and the opponents involved full of vast amounts of wealth and lobbying power, that I wonder if violence would be easier in countering them. Not to be some stereotypical "sensor", but I don't really know how to tackle some issues without literally putting my "hands" on it. I'm at a loss otherwise. For example, I've been watching a lot of climate change materials lately, and I'm helpless in enacting in real change about it. And the funny thing about climate change in America is that the opponents are mostly a small number of think thanks and lobbyists, funded by a handful of companies. My first thought is that it'd be easier to kill some select people than play legal games for decades.

    If not violence, sometimes I just want to see a large enough calamity that forces people to think from the ground up again. The more I think about it, I'm pissed that Obama didn't let Wall Street and the Auto Industries tank. We'd definitely be in a depression right now, but there's also more opportunity there. When I was a kid, and my room was dirty, my mother had the most invasive way of fixing it.. She'd storm in one day and throw everything off the shelves, trash my possessions indiscriminately, but by the time it was done, the room was squeaky clean. I didn't like it happening, but I ended up adopting a lot of her traits, I think. It's a "revolutionary" approach instead of the more methodical, gradual change. Violence falls in the former category. And it's not just Marxists and islamists who embrace it.

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    Are the Marxists using Islamists any more than the far right wing are? The right are ok with Islamist factions and governments as long as they are under their control (a fair position to maintain IMO.) If it is like the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact then at least one side is using the situation to buy themselves time before they have to face the other in conflict. It's not jumping into bed with each other, it's two ideological enemies opting not to drive a nail into each other's skull. The Marxists should hate the Islamists more than anyone and if they actually start to see them as comrades then that is officially the day I will totally forsake the left. The Islamists are tools to be used to advance your struggle and not the other way around.

    As for the loss of free speech, that is more the workings of the (often politically correct) authoritorian left. The libertarian left will only censor free speech if they think the opinions being expressed are idiotic.

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    The left relative to what?

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