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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Very true, technically you could, only 'any' law could hurt the masses. Pornography being viewed in the home is not the same as child abuse. There is just a line people draw in the sand between being overbearing, petty, and feeling like someone is treating you like a child vs practical, useful laws. The lines start to blur when it comes to private issues like this.. I'd prefer too little as opposed to too much.
    This is pretty much what I'm getting at. There isn't any kind of fundamental right to view porn and it is a preference. But, you are right that there's the issue of how overbearing a government is in dealing with it. Nobody wants troopers sweeping houses every week for porn or any other illegal paraphanelia. However, at the end of the day I'm not sure that censoring out porn (if done well and not blocking legitimate medical, art, and academic sites) is any different than the local government purifying water before it gets to your house. But, even with that analogy I understand where you're coming from as I'd prefer to have my own well anyway.
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    People should have the right to view and read whatever they like. How is this any different than burning books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    People should have the right to view and read whatever they like. How is this any different than burning books.
    Book burnings are condemned because they censor ideas whereas these materials are banned because they have no cultural value and cater to purely prurient interests. Not to mention that they are a product of a very harmful sex business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    People should have the right to view and read whatever they like. How is this any different than burning books.
    Book burnings are condemned because they censor ideas whereas these materials are banned because they have no cultural value and cater to purely prurient interests. Not to mention that they are a product of a very harmful sex business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Book burnings are condemned because they censor ideas whereas these materials are banned because they have no cultural value and cater to purely prurient interests. Not to mention that they are a product of a very harmful sex business.

    All subjective.

    Porn is all over the internet. I could see limiting harmful porn like child porn, because it's obvious children are being exploited, but there are already laws about that.

    But adults in porn? Nah. At the most it inhibits human rights and free speech, and at the least it won't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    People should have the right to view and read whatever they like. How is this any different than burning books.
    As best I understand the reasoning from listening to Gail Dines, one of the most popular genres of pornographic videos are those in which hurting women is not a side effect, but the primary purpose. And it isn't just about causing them pain, but physically damaging them to the point that they need medical intervention as a result. It also involves degradation and it isn't truly BDSM, which is a different genre.

    This has become fairly pervasive and as a result, it is difficult to keep it out of the hands of minors. So what you have is twelve and thirteen year old boys having their ideas about sex and women being, in part, shaped by this very violent and degrading content during what many would consider their sexually formative years.

    If you have a large portion of the male population believing it is normal to degrade and cause pain and damage to their partners during sex, this could result in some negative things for society. The ban is an attempt to keep this kind of content out of the hands of children. I think they feel that the threat to society is such that it outweighs the individual's right to get their freak on, so to speak.
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    The idea is to limit children's access to video porn, which I support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    This is pretty much what I'm getting at. There isn't any kind of fundamental right to view porn and it is a preference. But, you are right that there's the issue of how overbearing a government is in dealing with it. Nobody wants troopers sweeping houses every week for porn or any other illegal paraphanelia. However, at the end of the day I'm not sure that censoring out porn (if done well and not blocking legitimate medical, art, and academic sites) is any different than the local government purifying water before it gets to your house. But, even with that analogy I understand where you're coming from as I'd prefer to have my own well anyway.
    There are many things that we just made up as rights. My government decided seat belts are not only beneficial, but mandatory and vital to my life. When were these ever mandatory before? We just sort of made it up. And it wasn't even for the sake of our safety.. that's the real gripe on it all. I don't feel like storm troopers will be invading Icelandic homes anytime soon.. but.. I'm more inclined to believe that the further away you get from small communities, the more corrupt something is. I don't think governments do things just and only for the sake of the people anymore.

    And Aphrodite has a point. While it may not hold any value of culture, I'm sure many people thought that the books they were burning had zero value as well to their culture.. only corruption. Some people see absolutely nothing wrong or corrupting about pornography. So why fix what isn't broken? It is completely driven by the moral compass, this argument, and that is why I say it should fall onto the people, not the government, to fix it. And no one has bothered to answer my questions on what constitutes pornography in the first place, as there are many gray areas in this modern age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    As best I understand the reasoning from listening to Gail Dines, one of the most popular genres of pornographic videos are those in which hurting women is not a side effect, but the primary purpose. And it isn't just about causing them pain, but physically damaging them to the point that they need medical intervention as a result. It also involves degradation and it isn't truly BDSM, which is a different genre.

    This has become fairly pervasive and as a result, it is difficult to keep it out of the hands of minors. So what you have is twelve and thirteen year old boys having their ideas about sex and women being, in part, shaped by this very violent and degrading content during what many would consider their sexually formative years.

    If you have a large portion of the male population believing it is normal to degrade and cause pain and damage to their partners during sex, this could result in some negative things for society. The ban is an attempt to keep this kind of content out of the hands of children. I think they feel that the threat to society is such that it outweighs the individual's right to get their freak on, so to speak.

    Government has no right to inhibit free speech of any kind.

    If parent's want to let their kids watch porn, it's their right to do so. Always has been. How is the internet any different than Daddy's Penthouse? Point is, seems like people seem to think that if the medium changes, the laws need to change. I disagree. Just because the medium changes, doesn't mean rights should then become infringed.

    If you must judge, judge the action when the woman is abused and takes her abuser to trial. Trying to circumvent that by enacting such a controlling law on all of society is just wrong. I'm with Uber. It's akin to gun control. It's free speech.

    Besides, watching violent porn will not make one abuse in and of itself. Just as gamers don't all the sudden start snyping down their friends. Violence comes from deeper places, like a violent home, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    As best I understand the reasoning from listening to Gail Dines, one of the most popular genres of pornographic videos are those in which hurting women is not a side effect, but the primary purpose. And it isn't just about causing them pain, but physically damaging them to the point that they need medical intervention as a result. It also involves degradation and it isn't truly BDSM, which is a different genre.

    This has become fairly pervasive and as a result, it is difficult to keep it out of the hands of minors. So what you have is twelve and thirteen year old boys having their ideas about sex and women being, in part, shaped by this very violent and degrading content during what many would consider their sexually formative years.

    If you have a large portion of the male population believing it is normal to degrade and cause pain and damage to their partners during sex, this could result in some negative things for society. The ban is an attempt to keep this kind of content out of the hands of children. I think they feel that the threat to society is such that it outweighs the individual's right to get their freak on, so to speak.
    Have you ever watched Dreamworld 3? It is a documentary about the abuse of women and subconsciously putting them in inferior positions in our modern day media. Using this as an argument against pornography is weak at best.. at least they're being blatant about it and not trying to hide it. This attitude is everywhere in our society.. no one is banning perverse music, music videos, TV shows, movies, etc. that all have these concepts in it. Why attack the parts where people are naked and having sex for the purpose of the sex only? It seems weak and flimsy.. I highly doubt the government has the welfare of women in mind when they're making these laws. I almost wish they did. But I don't trust that.
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