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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    penalizing the purchasing of sex has shown a little bit of promise.
    More than a little bit of promise, it has been so successful in Sweden, the Swedes are trying to persuade the European Union to have the same success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    More than a little bit of promise, it has been so successful in Sweden, the Swedes are trying to persuade the European Union to have the same success.
    I'd thought something like that was the case, but I couldn't find the relevant info in the time I had to spend looking. It makes sense that it might be effective, especially in a prosperous, well-educated country. The sex trade requires dehumanization of its victims. If you take away plausible deniability of the ills of the industry and anonymity, people that have a shred of human decency or want to appear so are sometimes deterred from bad behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We have been very successful in reducing the road toll with seat belts. And we have been very successful in eliminating gun massacres with gun laws. And we have been very successful in reducing tobacco related deaths with smoking laws.

    And we have done this without any help from Americans - in fact Americans show us what not to do.
    It's just a different mindset. Americans want to make those decisions for themselves. Yeah, sure, it reduced the mortality rate on the road.. But so would driving less.. and so would being a more fortified car than a small crappy Cobalt (this is the car I drive.. if I got into a serious wreck, my car would be like an aluminum foil wrapper). No one has made a law saying how often you can drive though. I think there are just too many gray areas when it comes to trying to make laws that structure the way people deal things like that. I can see the government putting out campaigns with information to show how useful seat belts are, and how easy a solution it is to a potentially life-threatening experience. But to punish people for being dumb enough to risk their lives anyways? It seems a little excessive. No one gets fined for skydiving, and that sport is extremely dangerous. And I doubt people are concerned about the citizens--it is more than likely used as a means of income. Collecting all those seat-belt tickets is a massive industry in and of itself. They see an opportunity to make money--spin it off as a safety issue and concern--and bam, a formula for success.
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    The reason I don't have a problem with seatbelt laws is because I think it's shitty to make underpaid, overworked emergency workers scrape mangled idiots off the road any more than necessary. If it was only the idiots that paid the price, I'd be fine with leaving them to it, but it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    The reason I don't have a problem with seatbelt laws is because I think it's shitty to make underpaid, overworked emergency workers scrape mangled idiots off the road any more than necessary. If it was only the idiots that paid the price, I'd be fine with leaving them to it, but it's not.
    But, in this economy think about the jobs we could create scraping idiots off highways!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    But, in this economy think about the jobs we could create scraping idiots off highways!!!
    If they were jobs that paid enough to get people off of public assistance and treat them for PTSD, then it might be worth the trade-off. As it is, we don't even take care of those things for our veterans, whom we supposedly enthusiastically support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    If they were jobs that paid enough to get people off of public assistance and treat them for PTSD, then it might be worth the trade-off. As it is, we don't even take care of those things for our veterans, whom we supposedly enthusiastically support.
    I don't think people with PTSD should be scraping people off of pavement.
    They should be going to shooting ranges.
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    yea... no. when you illegalize an industry, all your doing is forcing it to go underground and loosing the state's power to supervise it, and while this is bad enough when it comes to substances, we are talking about humans here!

    does anyone get the potential threat when porn producers are no longer legally supervised? the complete disregard to age restrictions? the ability to use human smuggled against their will? giving organized crime an entire industry on a silver plate?

    all of this "if it's bad we'll make it illegal" thinking with complete disregard to consequences is idealistic crap meant for an imaginary world were petty laws are enforced by comic book super hero's, and i don't know how anyone in Iceland can build up tolerance to this kind of incompetence in governance.

    if this passed and i was living in iceland, i would be fucking terrified for the children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I don't think people with PTSD should be scraping people off of pavement.
    They should be going to shooting ranges.
    I suspect PTSD is more or less a normal result of doing that job. An occupational repetitive stress injury of the psyche, if you will. Hopefully they don't start out that way, but the better part of valor would be preparing for it, IMO.
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    Unless you actually think porn has some societal value I don't understand why you would immediately condemn this. Internet porn has only been around for 20 years and pornographic tapes and magazines have only been broadly circulated for around 50 years. It's a relatively new societal ill and it seems to me we should be open to different strategies to defeat it. Because of Iceland's isolation and small size it seems as good a place as any to try an experiment in banning it. I wouldn't support doing this at the federal level in the US, but on a smaller scale, sure.
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