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    *Scratches Iceland off world tour list*

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmileyMan View Post

    You're just rambling now.
    Nah, I actually think that making an effort to reduce human trafficking and other abuses of women and children is a worthwhile thing to do and if that means trying out some stuff that doesn't work that's okay. It's better than just going on acting like they aren't people because it's a difficult problem to tackle and it might interfere with somebody's buzz and/or profits.
    “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Nah, I actually think that making an effort to reduce human trafficking and other abuses of women and children is a worthwhile thing to do and if that means trying out some stuff that doesn't work that's okay. It's better than just going on acting like they aren't people because it's a difficult problem to tackle and it might interfere with somebody's buzz and/or profits.
    How will outlawing pornography reduce the amount of human trafficking (The term covers more than women who are "involuntarily moved across borders.") and child abuse in this world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmileyMan View Post
    How will outlawing pornography reduce the amount of human trafficking (The term covers more than women who are "involuntarily moved across borders.") and child abuse in this world?
    It could reduce the demand for pornography, which could, in turn, reduce the number of people required to appear in the pornography. Since there is not an insignificant element of involuntary participation in the production of pornography, less human trafficking and exploitation might result.

    I'd be all for legalizing and regulating if it greatly reduced exploitation and trafficking, but the results of that strategy in the related industry of prostitution have been disappointing.

    Would one small country making a probably minimally successful ban reduce these ills significantly on a global scale? Probably not. But it might make the one small country a little bit better in its attitudes toward and treatment of women and children.

    Here's another article with more info, FWIW.
    “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
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    Pornography is the graphic depiction of the brothel. And the brothel is a time honoured institution based on the hatred of women.

    So pornography is the canary in the coal mine - as long as we have pornography suffucing our whole culture, we know that the hatred of women also suffuces our whole culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with them wanting to keep stuff like that out of their country if they so choose it.
    It's not like the country belongs to a select institutions who have the power to (de)legitimise things like that. The concern is for the civil liberties of people who in fact make up the country.

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    All environment are invisible. Why, it was only when we went to the Moon and turned the camera around and looked back at the Earth that we discovered 'The Environment'.

    And with pornography being all pervasive, and even driving technological innovation, pornography is now an environment and so is invisible.

    And with pornography now invisible, the hatred of women is also invisible.

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    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    I'm going to repeat myself, with emphasis.

    The comment about violence makes me wonder if they are talking about the seemingly hateful, non-consent porn that sort of looks like rape.
    For one, this is one subset of pornography and doesn't represent it as a whole.

    Other porn is BDSM focused - I personally don't find this appealing, but it should be noted that there is a strong culture of mutual consent in BDSM sub-cultures. It's not an abusive relationship. Yes, even when someone is getting smacked around! Really, that's not abuse - the submissive party sets the limits for the interaction. In abuse, the abuser does what they want without regard to the victim.

    I'd agree with the concept that children, not understanding the subtext, might not understand what's going on here, and that the actors/actresses in very high likelihood actually volunteered for the job. Does that mean banning it?
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

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    Wait, are they just screwing with definitions:

    Web filters, blocked addresses and making it a crime to use Icelandic credit cards to access pay-per-view pornography, are among the plans being devised by internet and legal experts.

    Hildur Fjóla Antonsdóttir, a gender specialist at Iceland University, said: "This initiative is about narrowing the definition of porn so it does not include all sexually explicit material but rather material that can be described as portraying sexual activity in a violent or hateful way.
    Basically what I said (really, I didn't read this before, but very similar phrasing), except I thought they were banning everything.

    So now "porn" will only mean violent sex? What will regular porn be?

    hmm.
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

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