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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    What distinguishes porn except for subjective morality?
    We might as well ask, what distinguishes racism except subjective morality?

    Instead, we can look towards the sunny uplands where we are free of racism and misogyny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    And, unlike the US, they might do something like this for reasons other than patriarchy and prudishness.

    With many laws the good of society is being balance against individual rights. In the US we have a strong philosophical bias toward individual rights, but not everyplace sees things that way. When you look at quality of life factors, figures seem to indicate that the folks who see things differently might have a point.

    We're used to assuming that the government can't do anything to influence society in ways that improve it. I believe government is limited in what it can do, however, our government and specifically, our regulatory agencies, are particularly influenced by the profit motives of a small minority of our citizens. They work more towards keeping competitors out of markets than they work toward protecting citizens from harmful stuff.

    Just because things are that way now doesn't mean they always have been or always have to be and just because they are that way here does not mean they are that way everywhere.
    Which is why I am quite glad they are doing it over there vs trying here.. If it works out for them, then hey.. .. But it really would suck to see people who have to deal with long distance and being a bit naughty to their spouses getting pinned up for pornography charges just because they were flirting with their spouse. It's the part that concerns me the most.. is how people classify pornography. Is anything naked pornographic in nature? Does there need to be sex involved? If not, does masturbation count? If it is amateur does it count? If the person's computer is hacked does it count against them to have that in their files? .. It seems to breech into *personal* privacy because everyone has different ideas about what pornography is..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We might as well ask, what distinguishes racism except subjective morality?

    Instead, we can look towards the sunny uplands where we are free of racism and misogyny.
    Well it's a dumb comparison, but in any case "racism" is not illegal.

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    quoting myself cause it's relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    Wait, are they just screwing with definitions:

    Web filters, blocked addresses and making it a crime to use Icelandic credit cards to access pay-per-view pornography, are among the plans being devised by internet and legal experts.

    Hildur Fjóla Antonsdóttir, a gender specialist at Iceland University, said: "This initiative is about narrowing the definition of porn so it does not include all sexually explicit material but rather material that can be described as portraying sexual activity in a violent or hateful way.
    Basically what I said (really, I didn't read this before, but very similar phrasing), except I thought they were banning everything.

    So now "porn" will only mean violent sex? What will regular porn be?

    hmm.
    @cafe posted link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...ne-pornography
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    so i don't think it would cover private communications.

    in some countries they trust their government. i dunno, iceland is small and likely homogeneous. probably can work for them.

    personally, i wouldn't my government to have this power to decide censorship. USA is big and mixed. nobody should have the power here.
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    The commercial porn industry does make money off of seemingly degrading stuff that I frankly find pretty disgusting. It's not just BDSM, which is more in the line of "not my cup of tea" (but consensual), it's more "fuck this stupid whore and actually hurt her" sex, and I don't think it's just acting, they really do treat her poorly. That's pretty much the opposite of anything I've found enjoyable in my sexual practice, which mostly involves enjoying each other and even if we're rough it's not meant to be hurtful or degrading.

    There are other types of porn/erotica out there which depicts mutually enjoyable acts and is more realistic or actually *is* realistic because it's real couples who make it themselves. Often not for financial gain.

    Which is why I don't think pornography is inherently hateful. Sex isn't wrong, whether it's within a relationship or not.

    I'm more one to advocate a bottom up cultural change that teaches people to recognize what's real and what's healthy rather than just banning things, but either method has drawbacks.
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