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    has resigned. Surprised nobody mentioned this.

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    I think there was a joke thread somewhere.

    Palpatine comparisons aside, I don't think he was a bad pope. A lot of his public speeches were pretty humanitarian, sort of pie in the sky world peace stuff. Not heavily theological (his writings however are pretty theologically bent). I think he couldn't do more in the political arena as he wanted. I'm not a Catholic, so I'm not as shocked at the resignation. It seems like a practical thing to do. The demands of that office are far more international than they've ever been. I think the catholic church is just coming to grips with that. The pope is saying they need someone younger.

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    600 years

    What is interesting in that the last resignation took place 600 years ago.

    So we are looking at the world's oldest bureaucracy based on tradition.

    For instance, protestantism is based on the bible, while catholicism is based on the bible and tradition.

    This is interesting for we live in world where returns on capital are made each quarter, where our attention spans are shrinking, where we experience the shock of the new almost every day. And yet here we have a bureaucracy that counts time in lengths of 600 years.

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    Surprised nobody mentioned this.
    He was duly honored with a joke thread.

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    Palpatine comparisons aside, I don't think he was a bad pope. A lot of his public speeches were pretty humanitarian, sort of pie in the sky world peace stuff. Not heavily theological (his writings however are pretty theologically bent). I think he couldn't do more in the political arena as he wanted. I'm not a Catholic, so I'm not as shocked at the resignation. It seems like a practical thing to do. The demands of that office are far more international than they've ever been. I think the catholic church is just coming to grips with that. The pope is saying they need someone younger.
    He was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for years, where he collected data on child abuse cases from all over the world. He knew more than we know now. If not from that office, he could have done more to protect potential victims when he became pope, but instead he chose to continue protecting the culprits. It is apparent that he cares more about the church than about people. But, granted, that does not make him a particularly bad pope. They are all scumbags.

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    The most remarkable thing this pope has done is to resign. Yes, in some sense I am thinking "good riddance" as I do not share his values nor think they are healthy for any worldwide group. I give him credit, though, in going against tradition in this way, especially if his motivation really is the idea that he can no longer do a good job due to age/health. (It also gives him greater influence on selection of the next pope, I would imagine.)
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    Suddenly, I want to be a Catholic. It's interesting to watch the papal election on TV.

    He couldn't have picked a better name (Francis I).

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    I'm excited they chose an Argentinian. I was hoping for a conservative South American or African.
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    Actually, I'm interested in hearing the take of @Peguy. I'm getting the sense from those who favor traditional liturgy that they aren't completely happy even though he's still generally considered a conservative.
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    I'm surprised they chose an older Pope again (he's 76.) Between that and his conservatism, it seems he might be another caretaker Pope.
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    I'm not sure how conservative he is. He's from Argentina, an advocate for the poor, which may very well entail some sympathy for liberation theology (A Catholic movement in South America that merged some ideas of the church with socialism). We do know that he used to be a chemistry teacher (and has a masters in Chem). So he's intellectual (it's a safe assumption. The only crazy and borderline stupid scientists are engineers ).

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