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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I'm not sure how conservative he is. He's from Argentina, an advocate for the poor, which may very well entail some sympathy for liberation theology (A Catholic movement in South America that merged some ideas of the church with socialism). We do know that he used to be a chemistry teacher (and has a masters in Chem). So he's intellectual (it's a safe assumption. The only crazy and borderline stupid scientists are engineers ).
    No, it was reported he hasn't been a part of that movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    No, it was reported he hasn't been a part of that movement.
    Fair enough. In any case, he's been in protests for the poor. Cool with me.

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    I forget when people say conservative, they usually mean "pro-life" and against "gay marriage".

    Fat chance of a Pope ever changing on that. Heck, I'm fairly liberal, and I still argue those same points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I forget when people say conservative, they usually mean "pro-life" and against "gay marriage".

    Fat chance of a Pope ever changing on that. Heck, I'm fairly liberal, and I still argue those same points.
    It was funny watching the commentary the last couple of days as priests, journalists, lay people, and the non religious were all referring to a need for a pope who would bring "reform." Yet, I'm pretty sure they all meant different things.
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    To me, the pope represents the ecclesiastical and religious antithesis of spirituality.


    "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO View Post
    To me, the pope represents the ecclesiastical and religious antithesis of spirituality.


    "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

    "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"

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    I don't see what that has to do with holding an office though. Jesus is condemning those who speak in his name, but commit wrongful acts. This is something that bears down on any individual. Not an office. If you're going to hold someone accountable, hold them accountable for what they actually do. Just like you would expect the same of yourself. Everyone deserves a chance, basically. Your title or job doesn't necessary preclude that you're bound to do something awful. Unless, of course, your title is something like "Commander of the 13th Battalion of Fetuspults". It's easy to assume you're up to no good then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I forget when people say conservative, they usually mean "pro-life" and against "gay marriage".

    Fat chance of a Pope ever changing on that. Heck, I'm fairly liberal, and I still argue those same points.
    I don't forget. That's exactly what it means. One can be conservative in many ways: personally, aesthetically, socially, etc. The Catholic Church has long been far too socially conservative and aesthetically reckless, and we just have to look at all the pedophilia scandals for examples of personal behavior.
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    A great day for Argentina!!! So much bad press because of this crazy bitch "President" who is friends with Chavez and Iran. Finally a good news!! This has made that whole country very proud, already my grandmother called us in London, in tears of happiness.

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    I'm glad he's showing integrity (if that is his motivation). I hope the new one will be at least slightly more liberal, and do more to decrease corruption. There was a part of me when I was listening to the story on NPR which when they mentioned the possibility of the Catholic Church fragmenting and disintegrating got a little gleeful; but unfortunately I would feel sorry for all the Catholics who would suffer. Still, I can't help hoping that conservative Christianity becomes extinct.

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